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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gates View Post
    Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?
    Roads are usually overseen by local governance, either the city or the county. I don't think they're hiring fence jumpers. Those jobs are usually contracted out to unions and local engineers. If it's general laborers we need, that could just as easily be accomplished with a legal immigration system. One where we screen everyone who's coming in.

    This is ABC kindergarten stuff. Don't know why you guys are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

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    You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.

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    You don't know what you are talking about, there is a very large % of undocumented workers in many blue collar industries, including construction. They do all of the work that white suburbanites would commit suicide before doing. They are the ones that do that do all the cheap heavy lifting. And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.
    I never said there weren't illegals in construction. I said they weren't paving the roads.

    And with all due respect, you have no idea what the ratio of criminals to non-criminals is because you have zero knowledge about who's coming through. That is a total guess on your estimation based on absolutely nothing, and even if we ran with this 1% number that's would mean there's tens of thousands of violent criminals pouring in every year. After 5 years you could be looking at 60,000. These are potential robbers, muggers, gang members, murderers and rapists.

    And on top of that, what was the excuse for letting this man slip through law enforcement twice? Why wasn't he deported the first time? So you guys want illegals pouring in AND you don't want to punish them for committing crime?

    And republicans are the crazy ones for daring to bring this up?



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    I also couldn't help but notice you went out of your way to demonize white suburbanites. Can I ask why? Are you telling me that black americans and other non-white americans DON'T have a problem doing these jobs? If that's the case then why do we need illegals in the first place? Why don't we give those jobs to black and brown people already living here?

    Just curious since you decided to go with that framing.
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    Who would've thought Bill Gates was 100% messican?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gates View Post
    Besides building the roads you drive on and the house you sleep in and the building you work in?

    r u sure it's illegals that are doing that kind of work? it's not... legal mexicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gates View Post
    And that is why 99% of them are coming here, to find work.
    but that's the issue. it's why we have a system in place to bring immigrants in at a fixed rate. we can't employ upwards of hundreds of thousands of people all at once. we can't house them either. look at the chaos it's caused in sanctuary cities. and don't tell me it's overblown right-wing culture war nonsense. i've seen it first-hand here in chicago.

    in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and americans may need these low-wage jobs?

    not to mention as we've been talking about we don't know who these people are, haven't vetted them and don't know what their intentions are. it would be nice to assume that they're coming here to assimilate, learn english and adapt to our culture but we don't know if that's the case. at least not in all instances. why take that chance? make them go through the proper process.

    what are we - the refugee capital of the world? btw - it's not just latins coming into this country... it's mass amounts of chinese and even middle eastern as well as africans flooding in. middle easterners - arabs... at a time when we're bombing the ME and abetting in a mass expulsion of arabs. not good for our national security.

    that's why it's a problem. no one is against legal immigration and if they are they can feel free to speak up about why.
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    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...he%20workforce.

    Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.




    They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of. In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamenz View Post
    in addition to that - they are indeed of not "sending their best". these people don't have degrees and half of them probably don't even have trade skills. we're supposed to flood the low-wage job market with mass amounts of people that don't speak english and find housing for them on a dime as well? at a time when the possibility of a recession still isn't outta the equation and americans may need these low-wage jobs?
    This is precisely what we want. Workers that are willing to do our slave labor work while our own citizens with degrees take the high paying jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gates View Post
    Overall, about 7.8 million unauthorized immigrants were in the U.S. labor force in 2021. That was up slightly from 2019 but smaller than every year from 2007 through 2015.




    They make up 5% of our total workforce, with much higher percentages in the graphic posted here. And much higher percentages in the states near the border. Nevada, Texas, California, etc. The jobs that they obtain are the jobs that most legal citizens refuse to work, and there are shortages of. In fact there is a big shortage in the restaurant industry right now because no one wants to work it, and it is one of the few they can't take off our hands because it requires very fluent English.
    Hmm, interesting.

    I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baller234 View Post
    Hmm, interesting.

    I thought you inferred it was just white suburbanites who refused to work those jobs. Why can't those jobs go to black and brown americans already living here?
    They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.

    There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.

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    my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

    truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

    truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese
    You think if the Gulf War were today we'd have issues because of tattoos and piercings?

    Holy f@#k you are stupid

    I bet those worthless latinos at your company wonder how they got stuck working with someone as stupid as you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
    This is an interesting comment to say the least...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless
    this is not the case at all. i'm not sure about your particular instance (and if it's true then you're doing something wrong), but the majority of latins in this country here legally are some of the hardest workers you could ask for, especially in regard to hard labor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paksat View Post
    my business employs a ton of latinos, 90% are worthless

    truth is left leaning policies and influences have destroyed most of american society however. Your average american walking down the road is far different than one in the 50s. You'd be hard pressed to win the gulf war or any war with most of your population having mass tattoos, mass piercings, pink/purple hair and beards, fluent in rap, not fluent in normal english, garbage work ethic, garbage everything for that matter... AND fat, not just fat, but literally obese
    Oof


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gates View Post
    They could go to anyone who wants them, most legal citizens don't. And almost no one in the burbs, which is the group that seems obsessed with immigration.

    There has been a restaurant labor shortage for a while now. Many people would rather flat out be broke and homeless than bust tables. The US is a spoiled country, even the poor are spoiled, complaining on their iphones about how broke they are even though there are an abundance of job openings. They are just jobs they think they are too good for.
    Yea, I get it. I just think it's weird you chose to initially call out white suburbanites. You could have just as easily said "americans won't work these jobs"... yet you singled out white people.

    In other words, the reason we need illegal immigration is because lazy and spoiled white people think they're above certain jobs. As always, you liberals make everything about white people.

    Maybe that's why you guys are so indifferent to Laken Riley's murder. After all she was just a white suburbanite. She brought it on herself really. She should have worked on the construction site instead of going to college in Georgia, then maybe we wouldn't have had to let in her murderer.

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