Gen Z is really pushing the “The 90s were awful” angle lately.

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Wait 'til you see the payback on this generation from future generations

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Jordan is literally one of the most ambidextrous guards ever. He was a beast at finishing with his left.

And as for not being able to shoot, Jordan is arguably the GOAT midrange shooter and an above average 3pt shooter.

"We're done with the 90's" is just sheer stupidity that went viral because most fans are ignorant and don't know any better because they started watching basketball in the last 10 years. And honestly you can think Lebron is GOAT but don't spew this stupid narrative or people will think you're retarded.

Shit like this is exactly why gen z is starting this trend.

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Shit like this is exactly why gen z is starting this trend.

They don't understand the context behind some of those stats though, for example I believe someone showed in games where Jordan shot a higher number of 3s, the percentage was pretty much in line with a lot of modern players. Of course when you don't shoot a lot, it's harder to get a rhythm.

But if you're a Gen Z, you're not really going to know any of that stuff.

Jordan's shot release, shot mechanics are fantastic.

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Jordan was below league average (not the league today, the league during when he played) every season of his career besides 2 when he had the normal 3PT line. Many of those seasons he was far below average. It’s insane to claim he was above average at 3s even for his era.

If he was capable of shooting 3s well but chose not to he’s an idiot. So it’s more likely he just took more 3s those two seasons because his shot was working.

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Jordan was below league average (not the league today, the league during when he played) every season of his career besides 2 when he had the normal 3PT line. Many of those seasons he was far below average. It’s insane to claim he was above average at 3s even for his era.

If he was capable of shooting 3s well but chose not to he’s an idiot. So it’s more likely he just took more 3s those two seasons because his shot was working.

Yeah ok, basketball genius, the reason Jordan didn't take many 3s is his mid-range and attacking the hoop game was ridiculously efficient.

At the time the game was different, the thought process was always to try and get a high quality look from the mid range and even better yet at the rim. Now you can argue and kick and scream all you want, but that was how basketball was played then and coached then. You look for the best quality shot first and that generally meant closer to the basket.

We have a version of Jordan that shoots more threes ... that would be Kobe Bryant, there are downsides to that approach too. He was a less efficient player overall.

The other fact is Jordan is such a spectacular athlete that especially earlier in his career it simply would have been dumb to not attack the basket and dunk or finish at the rim, quite often getting a third point anyway from an and 1 situation.

In 20-30 years you'll have some dumb kid also saying how teams played basketball in the 2010s/2020s was stupid too, lol, that's the nature of these things.

Also I believe you are misunderstanding the stat I was citing, it was in games were Jordan shot more than something like 3 3s, his percentage was pretty comparable to modern players.

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I dont think many people doubt if MJ practiced 3s more and took more he could shoot them like most stars of today. Although it wouldn't be entirely necessary since the spacing today is so ridiculous he'd have a field day running at the rim.

But from a larger perspective a lot of 90s guys act like it was the hand checking that made games so low scoring, when in actuality it was the fact 3 or 4 players in every starting lineup couldn't shoot long distance at all and were left wide open on the perimeter. Which left the paints packed and made it harder to drive or score.



Even if you look at the 72 win GOAT Bulls... Scottie Pippen took and made the most 3s on that team! Pippen was the best long range shooter on the Bulls most winning team. Think about that.

Harper was a full time starter and was trash at 3s. Luc Longley and Rodman were full time starters and didn't hit a single 3 all season between the two of them. Trash spacing. MJ shot amazing at 43 3pt%.

It's not MJ that was trash or others superstars. It was the other guys that couldn't space the floor at all and it led to anemic offenses.

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I dont think many people doubt if MJ practiced 3s more and took more he could shoot them like most stars of today. Although it wouldn't be entirely necessary since the spacing today is so ridiculous he'd have a field day running at the rim.

But from a larger perspective a lot of 90s guys act like it was the hand checking that made games so low scoring, when in actuality it was the fact 3 or 4 players in every starting lineup couldn't shoot long distance at all and were left wide open on the perimeter. Which left the paints packed and made it harder to drive or score.



Even if you look at the 72 win GOAT Bulls... Scottie Pippen took and made the most 3s on that team! Pippen was the best long range shooter on the Bulls most winning team. Think about that.

Harper was a full time starter and was trash at 3s. Luc Longley and Rodman were full time starters and didn't hit a single 3 all season between the two of them. Trash spacing. MJ shot amazing at 43 3pt%.

It's not MJ that was trash or others superstars. It was the other guys that couldn't space the floor at all and it led to anemic offenses.

Like I said someone posted this stat but in games where Jordan shot more 3s, his percentage was quite respectable/comparable to a modern day player. Hard to get in a rhythm in a night where you only shoot like 2 threes. It just wasn't common in that era to shoot so many of them unless you were basically a "3 point specialist".

That's in game stats too, not just "well this season he was feeling it", it's by the game.

Prime Jordan would cook today's league either way (2s, 3s, doesn't even matter) as you said, the idea of anyone in the modern league trying to stop a prime Jordan at the rim is a laugh. Just drive to the rim every time and dunk or finish, these soft defenses and their "6'8 centers" aren't going to do sh*t.

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It’s because of how the NBA is marketed IMO. Individual players are above the team. You don’t see this stuff at the same level with sports like MLB/NHL/NFL. You have a % of fans who care more about MJ than the Bulls or even the NBA. Same with LeBron. You’ll see it with the younger generation as well. LeBron vs Kobe hit about 100x time harder than Brady vs Peyton at its peak or Sid vs Ovy etc. There’s gunna be crazy narratives by some people for every generation.

You can pick apart any generation. As the talent level continues to grow and the game becomes more global you’ll be seeing the same thing about this era in 20 years. Just how things go. The 16 year old kid doesn’t think Jordan had a left hand and the 45 year old guy doesn’t think LeBron could survive in the 90s. Both sides are delusional.

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It’s because of how the NBA is marketed IMO. Individual players are above the team. You don’t see this stuff at the same level with sports like MLB/NHL/NFL. You have a % of fans who care more about MJ than the Bulls or even the NBA. Same with LeBron. You’ll see it with the younger generation as well. LeBron vs Kobe hit about 100x time harder than Brady vs Peyton at its peak or Sid vs Ovy etc. There’s gunna be crazy narratives by some people for every generation.

You can pick apart any generation. As the talent level continues to grow and the game becomes more global you’ll be seeing the same thing about this era in 20 years. Just how things go. The 16 year old kid doesn’t think Jordan had a left hand and the 45 year old guy doesn’t think LeBron could survive in the 90s. Both sides are delusional.

The left thing is so stupid too, lol, literally many of Jordan's most iconic moments are driving left.











Put down the soy lattes and Fortnite gen Z, that's a brain dead take. This guy had near Iverson like quickness in a 6'6 body with explosive leaping ability in his peak/prime, he can go anywhere he wants on a basketball court and no one is gonna do a damn thing to stop him.

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Wait 'til you see the payback on this generation from future generations

Happens every generation. If basketball goes on long enough we'll redefine the "modern era" again. Like nowadays we have markers like shot clock era or the merger. And for most arguments we just pretend that everyone from before then was trash and not worth discussing.

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Yeah ok, basketball genius, the reason Jordan didn't take many 3s is his mid-range and attacking the hoop game was ridiculously efficient.

At the time the game was different, the thought process was always to try and get a high quality look from the mid range and even better yet at the rim. Now you can argue and kick and scream all you want, but that was how basketball was played then and coached then. You look for the best quality shot first and that generally meant closer to the basket.

We have a version of Jordan that shoots more threes ... that would be Kobe Bryant, there are downsides to that approach too. He was a less efficient player overall.

The other fact is Jordan is such a spectacular athlete that especially earlier in his career it simply would have been dumb to not attack the basket and dunk or finish at the rim, quite often getting a third point anyway from an and 1 situation.

In 20-30 years you'll have some dumb kid also saying how teams played basketball in the 2010s/2020s was stupid too, lol, that's the nature of these things.

Also I believe you are misunderstanding the stat I was citing, it was in games were Jordan shot more than something like 3 3s, his percentage was pretty comparable to modern players.

Yep, game was totally different. It was an inside out game and taking threes back then was seen as not putting pressure on the defense.

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Yep, game was totally different. It was an inside out game and taking threes back then was seen as not putting pressure on the defense.

Most people who make these arguments never have played the game at any kind of competitive level, even in high school I remember if you just came down the court and chucked up a 3, you'd get your ass benched for that by just about any kind of coach.

The whole thinking then was you come down, you make 2-3 passes, look to feed the post player and try to get the high quality shot, which generally meant someone cutting to the rim.

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Jordan was below league average (not the league today, the league during when he played) every season of his career besides 2 when he had the normal 3PT line. Many of those seasons he was far below average. It’s insane to claim he was above average at 3s even for his era.

If he was capable of shooting 3s well but chose not to he’s an idiot. So it’s more likely he just took more 3s those two seasons because his shot was working.

That's true in the regular season. I was mainly thinking about his playoff 3pt shooting where he was comfortably above average.

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I dont think many people doubt if MJ practiced 3s more and took more he could shoot them like most stars of today. Although it wouldn't be entirely necessary since the spacing today is so ridiculous he'd have a field day running at the rim.

But from a larger perspective a lot of 90s guys act like it was the hand checking that made games so low scoring, when in actuality it was the fact 3 or 4 players in every starting lineup couldn't shoot long distance at all and were left wide open on the perimeter. Which left the paints packed and made it harder to drive or score.



Even if you look at the 72 win GOAT Bulls... Scottie Pippen took and made the most 3s on that team! Pippen was the best long range shooter on the Bulls most winning team. Think about that.

Harper was a full time starter and was trash at 3s. Luc Longley and Rodman were full time starters and didn't hit a single 3 all season between the two of them. Trash spacing. MJ shot amazing at 43 3pt%.

It's not MJ that was trash or others superstars. It was the other guys that couldn't space the floor at all and it led to anemic offenses.

Scoring was lower due to less spacing. You're right about that. However there are other factors including hand checking, lack of 3 second rule, and lower pace which all made that era be low scoring compared to today.

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That's true in the regular season. I was mainly thinking about his playoff 3pt shooting where he was comfortably above average.

He shot 33.2% from 3 on low volume in the playoffs