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    Default Popovich & Phil proved ordinary in 2024 or 2007 - needed all-star help for Wemby/Kobe

    Pop and Phil can coach until they're blue In the face, but they won't win with 1 all-star - another all-star to help Wemby or Kobe is the catalyst to winning, not Phil or Pop.. Another example is MJ & Phil - MJ nearly beat the champs in 89' without Phil, so a better cast (all-star help) was the only thing needed to win, not Phil - Phi just happened to arrive the following year when MJ got all-star help and didn't lose 3 straight games for the next 9 years (90-98').

    It's important to note that expert jumpshooters or fundamental bigs that produce great ball movement and chemistry will win more with all-star help than ball-dominators, who will still mostly lose, even with TWO all-stars.
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    MJ mostly lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    MJ mostly lost.

    He was unbeatable with all-star help and he had stretches where he mostly won with a cast, while Lebron mostly loses regardless of cast and is extremely beatable with even 2 all-star teammates.

    So it's no comparison.

    Curry won 3 in 4 years, or Duncan won 3 in 5, or MJ sin 6 in 7. . So they proved that they can mostly win with a cast, while Lebron mostly loses, regardless of cast
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    He was unbeatable with all-star help and he had stretches where he mostly won with a cast, while Lebron mostly loses regardless of cast and is extremely beatable with even 2 all-star teammates.

    So it's no comparison.

    Curry won 3 in 4 years, or Duncan won 3 in 5, or MJ sin 6 in 7. . So they proved that they can mostly win with a cast, while Lebron mostly loses, regardless of cast
    So did LeBron

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    The "gotcha" moment when you talk about winning in regards to LeBron is he won more than anyone in his era.

    Nobody else has won 4 titles with 4 FMVPs during his time in the league. The next best is Curry with 4 and 1. After that is Kobe with 2 and 2.

    When you have won the most during your era, that disqualifies any argument of "not winning enough"

    Lebron has lost to a Warriors Dynasty and Spurs Dynasty. He has also beat those same dynasties. He deserves tremendous criticism for Dallas however. Which is why he's #2 all time and not #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    So did LeBron

    Not with the same team - Duncan won 3 in 5, while Curry won 4 in 6, or MJ won 6 in 7

    But Lebron mostly lost with every cast, so he never proved that he could mostly win with a cast and therefore is inferior to guys that did....

    Guys that mostly lose regardless of cast (bron) are inferior to guys that can mostly win with a cast

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    Default Re: Popovich & Phil proved ordinary in 2024 or 2007 - needed all-star help for Wemby/

    Four finals mvps > two finals mvps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Four finals mvps > two finals mvps

    No one respects the 2020 ring because a teammate led him in scoring for that playoff run, so Lebron didn't defeat max defensive attention like Kobe did (carry scoring load on championship level, aka defeat max defensive attention)

    Lebron lacks the expert jumpshooting skill to defeat max defensive attention/carry scoring load... His lack of expert jumpshooting skill prevents the ball movement required to score big amounts while maintaining sufficient brand to beat top teams, aka lebron is too ball-dominant at high scoring volume to beat top teams - that's why he can't carry scoring load in the Finals (defeat max defensive attention) or carry weak help over top teams (beat top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick)

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    I agree, having multiple all-stars is crucial for winning championships. But let's not downplay the impact of great coaching. Popovich and Phil Jackson are masters at creating a system that allows their players to thrive. They can elevate the play of their role players and get the most out of their stars. It's not just about having all-star talent, but also about having a cohesive unit that can execute under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoon View Post
    I agree, having multiple all-stars is crucial for winning championships. But let's not downplay the impact of great coaching. Popovich and Phil Jackson are masters at creating a system that allows their players to thrive. They can elevate the play of their role players and get the most out of their stars. It's not just about having all-star talent, but also about having a cohesive unit that can execute under pressure.

    No..,. Phil arrived at the same time that MJ got all-star help in 1990 - the all-star help was the key, not phil... Similarly, Pop was nothing in 2024 and needs all-star help for Wemby

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    No one respects the 2020 ring because a teammate led him in scoring for that playoff run, so Lebron didn't defeat max defensive attention like Kobe did (carry scoring load on championship level, aka defeat max defensive attention)

    Lebron lacks the expert jumpshooting skill to defeat max defensive attention/carry scoring load... His lack of expert jumpshooting skill prevents the ball movement required to score big amounts while maintaining sufficient brand to beat top teams, aka lebron is too ball-dominant at high scoring volume to beat top teams - that's why he can't carry scoring load in the Finals (defeat max defensive attention) or carry weak help over top teams (beat top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from sidekick)
    **** you.

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    So the moral of the story here is that having talent on a basketball team is crucial for winning? Cool..

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