PResidential Rankings on a tier list

[John8204]

Let's go on ahead and rank the President's on a tier list

Rule 1 - you can only for 5 in S this is your top five
Rule 2 - Every tier has to be even so you 8 in each row

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, FDR, Kennedy
A - Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Polk, Coolidge, Truman, Eisenhower, Obama
B - Adams, Quincy Adams, Grant, Arthur, Cleveland, Taft, LBJ, Biden
C - W. Harrison, Taylor, Garfield, Carter, Ford, Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton
D - Van Buren, Tyler, Fillmore, Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, Harding, Nixon, Trump
F - Jackson, Pierce, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, McKinely, Wilson, Hoover, George W Bush

Four out of the top Five are easy, the Roosevelts, Washington and Lincoln. The fifth spot is tricky it's between Kennedy, Eisenhower, and Jefferson.

For A tier, I'm going to put Obama and Coolidge in for taking over terrible administrations and correcting the issues. The Sedition Act knocks John Adams down to B but I'll keep Madison and Monroe at A. Polk is number 2 President when it came to expanding the US and I'll give the final spot in A to Truman for the end of WWII over LBJ and his handling of the Vietnam War.

Quincy Adams is an A political figure but his presidency was filled with gridlock. Still set the foundation for future presidents. Grant underrated while he had corruption in his adminstration he also did the best job with reconstruction. Taft, Arthur, and Celevand were all solid presidents...the fact that they brought Cleveland back after Harrison's terrible administration says a lot. It's early to tell with Biden but I'd give him a solid B, history might push him up to an A.

The C tier was the mid-range guys, so I put the three guys that died in office here (Garfield, Taylor, and Harrison). Bush, Carter, and Ford all had short term presidencies that were failures but nothing that ranks him in the D or F tier. Clinton and Reagan are both mixed bag presidencies you had really good and really bad parts. I also had Nixon here who had better highs but he still resigned so Watergate and the racism knocks him down to D.

D tier Harding, Nixon, and Trump are here for their corruption. Hayes is here because of his work against reconstruction, Fillmore for the fugitive slave act, Tyler gave us Texas but he was also a pretty bad president. Harrison is here for his foreign policy issues. Van Buren is here because of the Jackson administration and his role in the Panic of 1837 that he caused.

F tier Pierce and Buchanan are here because of the Civil, Pierce was I believe drunk and completely broken during his entire run after the decapitation of his son. W was to me the worst President of my lifetime, between 9/11, the Iraq war (which led to ISIS), and Katrina to go along with the recession based on his policies. Hoover is here for his botching of the Great Depression. McKinley and Wilson for basically killing reconstruction and terrible foreign policy issues. And Johnson's failures at the end of the Civil War caused reconstruction to go on for way to long

[RRR3]

What if I think they should all be in F?

[1987_Lakers]

Why is Jackson F tier?

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.

[RRR3]

Why is Jackson F tier?

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

[1987_Lakers]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

One thing OP did get right was having Wilson as F tier because of the federal reserve.

[John8204]

Why is Jackson F tier?

JFK was in office too briefly to be considered S tier.

In my opinion I would have Jackson as the worst president for three reasons.

1. His administration changed the policy of retention so now every administration has to put new people in office as opposed to keeping the same heads. This caused what was 6 very strong presidents before him that did a lot to establish the country that came to an end during his administration.

2. The Panic of 1837 was our first financial crisis, We got it worst than most other countries because Jackson didn't want a central bank and we needed it.

3. Indian Removal Act, he ran a death march it was genocide that killed thousands at the start and millions over time. It's the worst thing in American history in my opinion.

[1987_Lakers]

In my opinion I would have Jackson as the worst president for three reasons.

1. His administration changed the policy of retention so now every administration has to put new people in office as opposed to keeping the same heads. This caused what was 6 very strong presidents before him that did a lot to establish the country that came to an end during his administration.

2. The Panic of 1837 was our first financial crisis, We got it worst than most other countries because Jackson didn't want a central bank and we needed it.

3. Indian Removal Act, he ran a death march it was genocide that killed thousands at the start and millions over time. It's the worst thing in American history in my opinion.

Did you know Jackson is the only president in history to pay off the national debt? He knew the dangers of these asshole bankers and now this country is basically run by them.

[John8204]

Did you know Jackson is the only president in history to pay off the national debt? He knew the dangers of these asshole bankers and now this country is basically run by them.

Yeah he paid off the debt in 32 and the economy collapsed in 37....his short term thinking did major long term damage to the country. If we look at US economic history the Panic of 37, Depression, and W's administration are the top three worst things that happened in US history.

While the guys before him ran up debt they also y'know built the country. The Jackson/Van Buren led to us having one good President (Polk) for 30 years.

And then you have the whole genocide thing

[AlternativeAcc.]

Putting Kennedy S tier is almost as bad as you putting Shaq below Stockton all-time. Almost.

Good to know your takes are atrocious in other subjects outside of sports as well. At least you're consistent

[John8204]

Putting Kennedy S tier is almost as bad as you putting Shaq below Stockton all-time. Almost.

Good to know your takes are atrocious in other subjects outside of sports as well. At least you're consistent

Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

I'd love to see your own list.

What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?

[SouBeachTalents]

Pushed the Civil Rights Act
Set our Moon Mission
Stopped us from going to war with Russia during the Cuban missile crisis

So yeah I'm okay putting Kennedy at top 5

I'd love to see your own list.

What was Shaq's head to head record against Stockton in the playoffs again?

You actually do seem genuine with your thread here, but your basketball takes can only be construed as trolling.

[JohnnySic]

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - B. Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, Wilson, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Carter, Bush Jr, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI hire.

[Jasper]

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - W, Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, B. Harrison, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Wilson, Carter, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI fire.

i see you are still on cloud nine. When r u going off the drugs u r on ?

[diamenz]

Dude was the first DEI hire.

damn that's brutal.

[John8204]

S - Washington, Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, JFK, Trump
A - Jefferson, Madison, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Adams, Monroe, Reagan
B - Polk, Coolidge, Grant, Quincy Adams, Arthur, Cleveland, W. Harrison, Taft
C - W, Harrison, Taylor, HW Bush, Clinton, Nixon, Hayes, Harding, Ford
D - Fillmore, B. Harrison, Pierce, Van Buren, Tyler, LBJ, Garfield, Hoover
F - Jackson, Buchanan, A. Johnson, McKinley, Wilson, Carter, Obama, Biden

LOL @ having Obama anywhere but the bottom. Dude was the first DEI fire.

The Obama presidency has aged well in my eyes. Obamacare curtailed the monstrous healthcare crisis that was coming. His foreign policy opened up Cuba and Iran which is working out for one and not the other. His economic policy while increasing the debt we did recover from the Bush administration and his energy policy crippled countries like Venezuela and Russia. You must of forgotten when gas prices where over five dollars a gallon. He also killed Osama Bin Laden.

Any case or argument against Biden or Obama isn't really going to be based on facts which is what's important to me.