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    Im... not a Lamar fan.

    I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this debate as you are either. I literally... couldn't care less where you, I, or anybody for that matter ranks Lamar Jackson. I'm probably lower on him than most.

    All I'm saying is he did do enough to win that game and redeem himself after his bad start. It took two ridiculously fluke plays ~ Andrew's fluke fumble and right in the bread basket dropped pass. Two things he's known for doing the opposite of and both of which occurred at the absolute worst times.

    Lamar brought them back perfectly... but fortune just simply wasn't on his side. If he crashed out and got destroyed I'd agree with you.

    But that's not what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Im... not a Lamar fan.

    I'm not nearly as emotionally invested in this debate as you are either. I literally... couldn't care less where you, I, or anybody for that matter ranks Lamar Jackson. I'm probably lower on him than most.

    All I'm saying is he did do enough to win that game and redeem himself after his bad start. It took two ridiculously fluke plays ~ Andrew's fluke fumble and right in the bread basket dropped pass. Two things he's known for doing the opposite of and both of which occurred at the absolute worst times.

    Lamar brought them back perfectly... but fortune just simply wasn't on his side. If he crashed out and got destroyed I'd agree with you.

    But that's not what happened.

    What happened is that they were down 11 at the half because of Lamar's unforced turnovers, the only unforced turnovers in the entire game by any player.

    The Andrews fumble was a great play by the defender. He didn't just randomly lose the ball like Lamar did and then have it returned 50 yards.

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    We can't really take you serious though Tontoz when you blamed Lamar for the 2pt conversion miss. You said "he should've thrown it earlier" when it was literally a perfect pass, one of the easiest to catch passes ever.

    So that alone shows you are completely unreasonable in this debate and unwilling to see anything that even remotely deviates from your biased POV.

    Me? I'm non partisan in this particular space. I don't give a ****. If this was a Kobe or Trump debate my take would have to be taken with a grain of salt, but this is just a purely logical assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    We can't really take you serious though Tontoz when you blamed Lamar for the 2pt conversion miss. You said "he should've thrown it earlier" when it was literally a perfect pass, one of the easiest to catch passes ever.

    So that alone shows you are completely unreasonable in this debate and unwilling to see anything that even remotely deviates from your biased POV.

    Me? I'm non partisan in this particular space. I don't give a ****. If this was a Kobe or Trump debate my take would have to be taken with a grain of salt, but this is just a purely logical assessment.

    They did show the replay from lamars angle pretty much and he had Andrews open for quite a while, I imagine having to wait on a pass isnt ideal.

    Hey I wouldnt single out lamar for this loss either, but his first half was def part of the reason they lost, and Allen outplayed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    We can't really take you serious though Tontoz when you blamed Lamar for the 2pt conversion miss. You said "he should've thrown it earlier" when it was literally a perfect pass, one of the easiest to catch passes ever.

    So that alone shows you are completely unreasonable in this debate and unwilling to see anything that even remotely deviates from your biased POV.

    Me? I'm non partisan in this particular space. I don't give a ****. If this was a Kobe or Trump debate my take would have to be taken with a grain of salt, but this is just a purely logical assessment.

    Actually I am not the one who noticed it. It was the post coverage that pointed it out and then I went back and checked.

    Lamar could have soft tossed the ball out there right after the snap. Instead he waited until Andrews was near the sideline. Andrews was literally falling down as he was trying to catch the ball which wouldn't have happened if he threw it earlier.

    "One of the easiest passes to catch ever" falling down in the snow, but somehow you aren't biased.



    But ultimately it was his completely unforced turnovers that cost them the game. The MVP shouldn't be the only player in the game making unforced turnovers.

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    Philly mayor's awful attempt at trying to spell Eagles.

    https://x.com/CrossingBroad/status/1...qXVwXLUSw&s=19
    This is your brain on philly

    There must be something in the water over there

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    If you can't admit a soft dump off pass right into your chest isn't as easy a catch as it gets you're basically beyond irredeemable.

    There's like 100 articles and videos showing how big a gaffe that was but in Tontoz little head and world it was Lamar's fault.

    Mark Andrew's drop was Lamar Jackson's fault.



    You really can't make this shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warriorfan View Post
    This is your brain on philly

    There must be something in the water over there
    Fentanyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    If you can't admit a soft dump off pass right into your chest isn't as easy a catch as it gets you're basically beyond irredeemable.

    There's like 100 articles and videos showing how big a gaffe that was but in Tontoz little head and world it was Lamar's fault.

    Mark Andrew's drop was Lamar Jackson's fault.



    You really can't make this shit up.

    How many of those replays showed him not falling down as he was trying to catch it? How many nof those videos didn't show snow on the ground?

    Catching that pass wasn't nearly as easy as just holding on to the ball you already have which Lamar couldn't do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    How many of those replays showed him not falling down as he was trying to catch it? How many nof those videos didn't show snow on the ground?

    Catching that pass wasn't nearly as easy as just holding on to the ball you already have which Lamar couldn't do.
    Dude, that was as gimme as it gets. It happens. Michael Jordan has missed wide open dunks. I mean, if we REALLY want to nitpick, yeah Jackson probably could have thrown it earlier- but to put that drop on him... good lord.

    I promise you, a high school tight end is getting chewed out for that drop, and he's getting the entire team extra suicides next practice.

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    Dude, that was as gimme as it gets. It happens. Michael Jordan has missed wide open dunks. I mean, if we REALLY want to nitpick, yeah Jackson probably could have thrown it earlier- but to put that drop on him... good lord.

    I promise you, a high school tight end is getting chewed out for that drop, and he's getting the entire team extra suicides next practice.
    I didn't say it was specifically Lamar's fault. I said he should have thrown it earlier. If he did it was more likely to be caught as opposed to sliding down near the sideline.

    But the key mistake of the game was Lamar's fumble caused by nobody.

    What I actually said was.

    "We'll also never know what would have happened if Lamar had thrown that pass on time instead of waiting until he was near the sideline."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post


    First of all this is rich from a Lamar fan. Lamar didn't have a 2 turnover game all year, but then he does it in the playoffs. Again.

    Secondly the Andrews fumble was a great play by the defender punching it out. Lamar's turnovers were just embarassing, completely unforced.
    Andrews fumble was him trying to juke and dance when that’s NEVER been his game. He catches and goes north. He doesn’t catch it and dance around. That fumble was on him. Both things can be true. Great play by defender and horrible decison by Andrews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    I find it hard to just admit I reached pointing out Barry sanders post season. He’s not my goat and I try hard to find lists that don’t have him as the goat to link people too. I know Tomlinson, Payton weren’t amazing post season performers. And I never watched him brown or else I would’ve posted his post season stats. But that would contradict my argument to bash Barry Sanders becuase you have him as your goat. And I feel a way when you say most have him as the goat. I know what you mean. But I don’t want to agree. I’m very spiteful. Oh and your Emmitt smith example? Yeah I don’t want to touch that. He has better stats across the board than my RBs I listed. Including one I never saw play before.

    Agreed. Moving on…

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBB View Post
    Andrews fumble was him trying to juke and dance when that’s NEVER been his game. He catches and goes north. He doesn’t catch it and dance around. That fumble was on him. Both things can be true. Great play by defender and horrible decison by Andrews.
    Dance? Why don't you show the video of him "dancing"?



    Typical GOBB just make stuff up and pretend its true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tontoz View Post
    Dance? Why don't you show the video of him "dancing"?



    Typical GOBB just make stuff up and pretend its true.
    https://youtu.be/xekklqMczI8?si=llVIX-gYm4VO1HWd

    He catches it and goes north. Drive continues. He catches it and does what a lot of wide receivers tend to do n going backwards then east or west depending where they caught ball. If you were looking for dancing in the literal sense? Go YouTube Chris brown videos. If you want to see dancing players after they catch th call? They tend to do extra move or moves that was not necessary. Which is what Andrews did. But hey like most on this board? Hang your hat on the word dance. And not the fact he fumbled the ball at the worst time.

    If it makes you feel better? Because some here need to be coddled. Lamar made big mistakes too. But you don’t have to downplay, diminish the impact Andrews fumble and bad play was just scream that.

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