HISTORICAL RECORD: Antaun Jamison was considered better than Pau in 2008

[3ba11]

Kobe never won with less and colluded from the jump

He lost miserably with more.. losing with 2 former MVPs on 2 separate occasions.

Why were the 2013 Lakers a borderline lottery team with peak Dwight coming off 3x DPOYs and 5 straight top 5 MVPs at 27? The most accomplished player either Kobe or LeBron ever played with. (Outside Shaq)

Why did Kobe fail with Dwight/Pau/Nash/Jamison?

Kobe won 3 chips in 3 years, while Curry won 3 in 4, or Duncan won 3 in 5, so it's clear that expert jumpshooters or fundamental bigs can produce "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches, while Lebron-ball cannot produce unbeatable teams and mostly loses regardless of cast.. (1/4 with Love, AD or Wade, except the Allen miracle)...

So it's a team ceiling issue (producing better teams) - Kobe is superior to Lebron because his skillset allows higher team ceilings and winning with less (winning with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love).

[ShawkFactory]

Ronaldo Blackman, Terry Cummings & John Wall (assuming he doesn't make it) all did it, then you have guys like Mark Aguirre & Kiki Vandeweghe who barely missed. And ironically, with the exception of Blackman (who needed 23) none of those guys needed even close to 26 shots per game to reach that number. Jamison was putting up '06 Kobe level volume to reach those numbers, I wonder how many non HOF's ever had the greenlight to do that while getting swept in the first round.

This is the main thing. People like to use strange or even freak circumstances to their advantage.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe won 3 chips in 3 years, while Curry won 3 in 4, or Duncan won 3 in 5, so it's clear that expert jumpshooters or fundamental bigs can produce "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches, while Lebron-ball cannot produce unbeatable teams and mostly loses regardless of cast.. (1/4 with Love, AD or Wade, except the Allen miracle)...

So it's a team ceiling issue (producing better teams) - Kobe is superior to Lebron because his skillset allows higher team ceilings and winning with less (winning with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love).

LeBron won 3 in 5 years, and unlike those first two chumps, won FMVP every time while those two barely got a FMVP vote.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Kobe won 3 chips in 3 years, while Curry won 3 in 4, or Duncan won 3 in 5, so it's clear that expert jumpshooters or fundamental bigs can produce "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches, while Lebron-ball cannot produce unbeatable teams and mostly loses regardless of cast.. (1/4 with Love, AD or Wade, except the Allen miracle)...

So it's a team ceiling issue (producing better teams) - Kobe is superior to Lebron because his skillset allows higher team ceilings and winning with less (winning with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love).

So you've got nothing

Kobe with Dwight/Pau = near lottery

So Kobe doesn't fit well with anyone and you're just lying. Why?

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron won 3 in 5 years, and unlike those first two chumps, won FMVP every time while those two barely got a FMVP vote.

Dude has been self-ethering himself the entire thread

[rawimpact]

Yea, I brought up the fact that Wizards Jamison averaged 23/10/2 in the playoffs and had the same exact amount of playoff success as Memphis Pau... and I was called an "embarrassment" for bringing that up.

Goes to show some people just don't like the truth. The saying "the truth hurts" had to have come from somewhere I guess.

Either way, Jamison was a legit player. Is there a list of bums who have averaged 30+ ppg in a playoff series.

I'd like to see that list.

Uhh no... the embarrassment is you picking what years player X is better than Player Y. Maybe in 08 we were talking about how much better Jamison was to Pau... but 1. you werent here and 2. as I mentioned, one peaked and the other was yet to hit the climax. and 3. Pau played 11 years after and Antawn 6 years after 2008.

When we look at players in hindsight, no one trolling looks at just a select set of years and completely ignores another set, especially when one of those players has yet to reach the peak of their careers.

That's like comparing 2003 Lebron to 2003 Jermaine Oneal... and saying no one brings up Jermaine Oneal up when he was averaging 21-10 on a team that finished with 60+ wins... Two players on complete different trajectories...

[3ba11]

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2008 JAMISON............ #14 for MVP........ 2x all-star
2008 PAU.................... nothing.............. 1x all-star

2005 ZYDRUNAS.......... 2x all-star
2008 PAU.................... 1x all-star


* Jamison has 20k points and outplayed Lebron HU in 07' 1st Round with 32/10 on 48% compared to 28/8 on 43% for Lebron.

THREAD CLIFFS (why Kobe > Lebron)


Kobe produced higher team ceilings/dynasties and won with less, such as a sidekick that was worse than Jamison, Bosh or Love... He produced better teams and won with less because his expert jumpshooting skill produced better ball movement and chemistry than Lebron's ball-dominance and imposition of spot-up roles... Kobe's game produced high ball movement teams that compare to the 90's Bulls and also the recent Spurs, Warriors, and Nuggets juggernauts that beat Lebron's ball-dominant teams.

Kobe also out-performed Lebron against the exact same opponents, such as the 08' Celtics, 10' Celtics, 11' Mavs, or 07/08' Spurs, and also dominated the Spurs in 01', 02', 03' or 08', while Lebron was worst-ever in 07' and 14'.