HISTORICAL RECORD: Antaun Jamison was considered better than Pau in 2008

[3ba11]

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2008

JAMISON........ #14 for MVP........ 2x all-star
PAU................. nothing............. 1x all-star

Jamison was considered better than Pau and Zydrunas wasn't far behind either.. If Kobe had won with Jamison, Zydrunas and Mo like he did with Pau, then they would be elevated historically like Pau was - Jamison would've started making All-NBA like Pau did... On the flipside, if Pau never joined Kobe, then he would be viewed historically like Jamison and not too far ahead of Zydrunas.

But unfortunately, Lebron wasn't good enough to elevate 1x all-stars like MJ and Kobe did.. This is due to skillset - Lebron's high-scoring ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that prevents development and chemistry, while Kobe's expert jumpshooting skill and goat scoring diversity fit with everyone and allowed greater strategy/coaching - he got the MOST out of everyone, while Lebron routinely reduces guys and needs more help.

The remarkable thing is that Lebron COULD HAVE WON in cleveland the first time... He was on pace with an organic juggernaut and league favorite by Year 7 just like Jokic, Curry and MJ... The difference is that he gave up on learning to win with normal teams of 1 franchise player and opted for super-teams of 3 franchise players - he gave up on learning the chemistry required to win with what he had and opted for talent-based winning (all-star team strategy).. Accordingly, he never learned how to win (chemistry) and only learned how to team-up (talent-based winning).. It's a shame because there was a 1-star organic chip up for grabs in 2011 that Dirk grabbed, but the Cavs would've had the long-standing chemistry and reputed defense to easily DESTROY the Mavs.

[SouBeachTalents]

I hope things get better for you bro.

[3ba11]

I hope things get better for you bro.

You can't come up with a better deflection by now? Telling

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You can't come up with a better deflection by now? Telling

People just feel sorry for you at this point because you clearly need help and refuse to get it.

[Carbine]

He didn't really have a high hold time during his time with Miami though.

In 14 he was behind Curry by a lot. Kobe also had more hold time. Tony Parker had considerably more hold time and he played for the best ball moving offense of that era.

Please explain.

[3ba11]

He didn't really have a high hold time during his time with Miami though.

In 14 he was behind Curry by a lot. Kobe also had more hold time. Tony Parker had considerably more hold time and he played for the best ball moving offense of that era.

Please explain.

Throw out 2014 Kobe because that's when he got hurt and only played 6 games.

Otherwise, Lebron is the only non-point guard in the top 30, so his presence produces 2-point guard lineups with himself and Mario Chalmers, and on previous teams it was Mo Williams, Kyrie, Rondo or Westbrook - these 2 point guard lineups are abnormally ball-dominant with less ball movement.. These 2 point guard lineups ultimately give teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups - lower assists from teammates means low TEAM assists and a brand that can't compete effectively on the championship level (lottery record on the championship level).. The common thread in all of Lebron's playoff losses for the last 10 years is massive deficits in team assists

[Axe]

Op can't even spell his first name right.

[SouBeachTalents]

Op can't even spell his first name right.

Still not as embarrassing as Ingraham.

[ralph_i_el]

He got 1 5th place vote

Literally 1 journalist gave him a 5th place vote. That's it. Could have been his friend.

[ralph_i_el]

To be fair, The Wizards were +14 points per/100 when Jamison played vs. when he sat (Which is MVP level impact...usually). They were extremely f-ing bad when Nick Young and Andray Blatche played, which made Jamison look better.

[Phoenix]

Thanks for letting us know, OP. Anything else?

[AlternativeAcc.]

What was the historical record for Dwight before joining Kobe? Multiple DPOYs and 5 straight seasons voted top 5 for MVP.

Dwight was the true MVP in 2011, and only 27 when he joined Kobe 2 years later, unlike Jamison who was 33 when he joined LeBron, 2 years after the year you referenced.

If Kobe fits with everyone, why were the 2013 Lakers such a disaster?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Kobe colluded straight out of high school - he refused to be drafted to any other team except the Lakers who were already a competitive team and ready to sign Shaq...

So Kobe colluded from the jump and was instantly in a perfect position, being carried by peak Shaq and a championship coach, with a highly decorated and accomplished franchise.

Lebron was drafted to the worst franchise in professional sports, coming off a putrid 17 win season. Within 4 years, with zero all-nba talent, LeBron had them in the NBA Finals at age 22.

So while Kobe was getting carried by peak Shaq early in his career, LeBron was hard-carrying the worst team in the league by himself.


And let's not forget Kobe ran Shaq out of town after sabotaging the insanely stacked 04 Lakers. (22ppg on 38% in the finals), which then turned the Lakers into a perennial lottery squad. He then demanded he be traded since he couldn't win without stacked talent(well documented).. they then pulled a rabbit out of the hat trading for Pau and building the most stacked team by far, by 09

In 2013, he once again colluded with 2 former MVPs in Dwight and Nash, and once again failed miserably like he did in 04.


So Kobe NEVER won without the most talent - and was never burdened with carrying a franchise on his back like LeBron... and also demanded to be traded when the going got hard, and failed miserably with 2 former MVPs on 2 separate occasions.

That's the historical record.

[tontoz]

Kobe colluded straight out of high school - he refused to be drafted to any other team except the Lakers who were already a competitive team and ready to sign Shaq...

So Kobe colluded from the jump and was instantly in a perfect position, being carried by peak Shaq and a championship coach, with a highly decorated and accomplished franchise.

Lebron was drafted to the worst franchise in professional sports, coming off a putrid 17 win season. Within 4 years, with zero all-nba talent, LeBron had them in the NBA Finals at age 22.

So while Kobe was getting carried by peak Shaq early in his career, LeBron was hard-carrying the worst team in the league by himself.


And let's not forget Kobe ran Shaq out of town after sabotaging the insanely stacked 04 Lakers. (22ppg on 38% in the finals), which then turned the Lakers into a perennial lottery squad. He then demanded he be traded since he couldn't win without stacked talent(well documented).. they then pulled a rabbit out of the hat trading for Pau and building the most stacked team by far, by 09

In 2013, he once again colluded with 2 former MVPs in Dwight and Nash, and once again failed miserably like he did in 04.


So Kobe NEVER won without the most talent - and was never burdened with carrying a franchise on his back like LeBron... and also demanded to be traded when the going got hard, and failed miserably with 2 former MVPs on 2 separate occasions.

That's the historical record.

It is pretty rare for me to agree with this guy but he punk'd 3ball here, granted that is a low bar to clear.

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It is pretty rare for me to agree with this guy but he punk'd 3ball here, granted that is a low bar to clear.

Think about how bad of a poster you have to be to get punked by alternativeaccount.

Yeesh. 3ball doesn’t seem like a bad fella tho I hope he gets some help.