RED WAVE Meltdown Thread, 2024-2028

[Doomsday Dallas]

You can completely remove covid from the equation and Trump was still one of the most socialist POTUS we've had. He spent billions bailing out farmers during his admin, they wouldn't have been able to survive without Government help. And that is the general story across the board. The red states receive the most federal aid by far.

It's poor whites that get most gov aid, and it's poor whites who are the most anti-Gov aid.

Who gives a $hit about a few Billion Dollars?.... what was it like $28 Billion for Farmers? was it more? idk.... but that's like chump change compared to how much we give Ukraine on the daily.

We're talking about $Trillions to fight Covid... both Biden & Trump f*cked that up... caused massive inflation

[Bill Gates]

RRR3 what you would label the heavy taxing of the rich and spreading it to everyone else? If that isn't a form of socialism. What is it then?

[Bill Gates]

Who gives a $hit about a few Billion Dollars?.... what was it like $28 Billion for Farmers? was it more? idk.... but that's like chump change compared to how much we give Ukraine on the daily.

We're talking about $Trillions to fight Covid... both Biden & Trump f*cked that up... caused massive inflation

Like $28B/year. It's a lot when you are giving it to a small group. They are living on it. For them it is close to socialism (the thing they hate)

The money we are giving to Ukraine (and with covid) is a bit different as it is not actual tax dollars. It's money we just print up.

[RRR3]

RRR3 what you would label the heavy taxing of the rich and spreading it to everyone else? If that isn't a form of socialism. What is it then?

That could be anything from liberalism to social democracy depending on the degree of taxation. But Trump gave the rich massive tax cuts so how is that even relevant? We were discussing Trump, he loves giving the rich tax breaks.

[Bill Gates]

That could be anything from liberalism to social democracy depending on the degree of taxation. But Trump gave the rich massive tax cuts so how is that even relevant? We were discussing Trump, he loves giving the rich tax breaks.

relevant? You turned this into a semantics debate over what "socialism" means. So here I am trying to figure out your definitions like you wanted. Social democracy is capitalism and socialism mixed. And from what I can see economic liberalism is for limited government interference.

Regardless I can tell that most of the country is defining it like I do.

[RRR3]

relevant? You turned this into a semantics debate over what "socialism" means. So here I am trying to figure out your definitions like you wanted. Social democracy is capitalism and socialism mixed. And from what I can see economic liberalism is for limited government interference.

Regardless I can tell that most of the country is defining it like I do.

Most American voters voted for Trump, are you really going to posit that the average American has any idea of what they're talking about politically?

[Bill Gates]

Most American voters voted for Trump, are you really going to posit that the average American has any idea of what they're talking about politically?

No they definitely don't, but when you are debating in public you have to accept how a word is now used by the public.

[RRR3]

No they definitely don't, but when you are debating in public you have to accept how a word is now used by the public.

No, I don't have to accept how idiots incorrectly use words, that's terrible logic. Might as well call Biden a Marxist if we're just going to let morons define things.

[Chick Stern]

Actually my example of the farmers bailout, where Trump was continually bailing out farmers year after year with billions in tax money. It isn't far off.

and the bulk of those bailouts go to corporate farming conglomerates

[Bill Gates]

No, I don't have to accept how idiots incorrectly use words, that's terrible logic. Might as well call Biden a Marxist if we're just going to let morons define things.

You don't have to accept it but you can look past it for the sake of conversation. When people talk about "free speech" today I already know it is bastardized version relating to internet moderation.

Also the term "socialism" is a pretty broad spectrum of economic philosophies. And I do think that the Government spreading free money around at least arguably falls under the blanket of "socialism". I mean, the average citizen does misuse and abuse the word as just meaning "free stuff" and it's absolutely deeper than that. But that is what the average Trump voter fears, people not having to work and just letting taxes pay for their lives. They use "socialism" to define that and maybe they should use a different word, but at the end of the day what word is used is secondary.

[Doomsday Dallas]

You don't have to accept it but you can look past it for the sake of conversation. When people talk about "free speech" today I already know it is bastardized version relating to internet moderation.

Also the term "socialism" is a pretty broad spectrum of economic philosophies. And I do think that the Government spreading free money around at least arguably falls under the blanket of "socialism". I mean, the average citizen does misuse and abuse the word as just meaning "free stuff" and it's absolutely deeper than that. But that is what the average Trump voter fears, people not having to work and just letting taxes pay for their lives. They use "socialism" to define that and maybe they should use a different word, but at the end of the day what word is used is secondary.

Give it a few years and UBI will become more of a mainstream discussion... and you'll be one of the many defending it.

[Bill Gates]

Give it a few years and UBI will become more of a mainstream discussion... and you'll be one of the many defending it.

And you'll be one of many needing it.

Like it or not UBI would be an obvious natural progression in any advanced society. As AI takes over all of our jobs, as robots are the ones serving us food and maintaining our crops, as doctors and lawyers are replaced by computers. As DNA replacement therapy removes all of our cancers and illnesses.

The endgame for all of us is for none of us to have to do anything. That is what we have been working towards like ants since the caveman days. Right now YOU are a slave to money. You have lost sight of that, but you are.

The thing is though, UBI will hardly matter at that point. Money in general will hardly matter. Because it will get to the point where everything we could ever want is basically free. Have a 3D printer print up a Lamborghini if you want at no cost because robots did the labor. None of us will see that day, but it will get here eventually.

[Doomsday Dallas]

And you'll be one of many needing it.

Like it or not UBI would be an obvious natural progression in any advanced society. As AI takes over all of our jobs, as robots are the ones serving us food and maintaining our crops, as doctors and lawyers are replaced by computers. As DNA replacement therapy removes all of our cancers and illnesses.

The endgame for all of us is for none of us to have to do anything. That is what we have been working towards like ants since the caveman days. Right now YOU are a slave to money. You have lost sight of that, but you are.

The thing is though, UBI will hardly matter at that point. Money in general will hardly matter. Because it will get to the point where everything we could ever want is basically free. Have a 3D printer print up a Lamborghini if you want at no cost because robots did the labor. None of us will see that day, but it will get here eventually.

of course you would defend UBI... which is straight up communism.


let me simplify what you just said:

[Bill Gates]

It is communism, yes.

But when AI and automation take all of our jobs away, we will be left with no choice. Simple as that.

It isn't a politics thing, it's a technology thing.

And we will be "happy". But it will be because we are able to spend our days doing whatever the hell we want to. And we will "own" whatever we want.

[JohnnySic]