United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson shot and killed on NYC sidewalk.

[RRR3]

I triggered you out of retirement.

[diamenz]

bro. don't laugh at your own joke.

...and don't deny it's you either. it's clear as day.

[highwhey]

Is that data what you use to determine which country you want to visit first?

[tpols]

It really doesn't make sense that we have insurance companies middle manning everything while providing 0 value on either end... they're just milking profit out of thin air basically.

It's a scam. Many people probably died slow deaths due to this guy and many others when their treatments got denied, so this is only a small dose of Karma.

He actually got off easy tbh.

[ShawkFactory]

It really doesn't make sense that we have insurance companies middle manning everything while providing 0 value on either end... they're just milking profit out of thin air basically.

It's a scam. Many people probably died slow deaths due to this guy and many others when their treatments got denied, so this is only a small dose of Karma.

He actually got off easy tbh.

Well not to go to bat for insurances companies because most of them are a pain in the ass at best, but the value is that they allow people to afford healthcare that otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Even in a free market without them where doctors, device companies, etc. couldn’t charge as much where most relatively well-off people would be okay, it’s still too much of a burden for less-fortunate folks.

And even middle to upper-middle class individuals could have bankrupt-inducing charges if serious illness strikes.

There’s a reason it exists but it certainly needs some tweaking.

[Bill Gates]

Well not to go to bat for insurances companies because most of them are a pain in the ass at best, but the value is that they allow people to afford healthcare that otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Even in a free market without them where doctors, device companies, etc. couldn’t charge as much where most relatively well-off people would be okay, it’s still too much of a burden for less-fortunate folks.

And even middle to upper-middle class individuals could have bankrupt-inducing charges if serious illness strikes.

There’s a reason it exists but it certainly needs some tweaking.

I think he is suggesting it should all be government run. I agree with him. They are an unneeded 3rd party milking us all to death, literally. We pay taxes for the Government to protect us right? This should be part of that, if not the main part. We make military our main part (also for our protection) and our actual health is a distant second to that. Makes no sense given that even during times of war way more of us die to illness.

[j3lademaster]

Well not to go to bat for insurances companies because most of them are a pain in the ass at best, but the value is that they allow people to afford healthcare that otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Even in a free market without them where doctors, device companies, etc. couldn’t charge as much where most relatively well-off people would be okay, it’s still too much of a burden for less-fortunate folks.

And even middle to upper-middle class individuals could have bankrupt-inducing charges if serious illness strikes.

There’s a reason it exists but it certainly needs some tweaking.

The price of medicine and surgeries are set high BECAUSE of insurance companies, and most of the money paid towards medical are profited by insurance companies, not the actual doctors and hospital staff. If everything we paid into hsa etc were all going to hospital staff and doctors and doctors were making nba player money, I’d actually be way more ok with that because doctors are one of the highest value roles in society.

I know where you’re coming from with this; a good surgeon should be making 7 figures or close to it, so it shouldn’t be out of this world for a several hour surgery to cost 10’s of thousands if not into the 6 figures. I agree, which is why we need to socialize that burden, which is insurance is doing while taking a 1000% upcharge while pulling funding on med and surgical research just before a cure can be found, because cures aren’t profitable- keeping them alive and sick is. This is why Germany is lapping us in surgical innovation despite us being the global powerhouse and throwing more money at the problem.

[tpols]

Well not to go to bat for insurances companies because most of them are a pain in the ass at best, but the value is that they allow people to afford healthcare that otherwise wouldn’t be able to. Even in a free market without them where doctors, device companies, etc. couldn’t charge as much where most relatively well-off people would be okay, it’s still too much of a burden for less-fortunate folks.

And even middle to upper-middle class individuals could have bankrupt-inducing charges if serious illness strikes.

There’s a reason it exists but it certainly needs some tweaking.

Or you could just make it all public and cut out the billion dollar middle man. It's proven in European countries that the tax model makes health care cheaper to provide. And their facilities are gorgeous in Germany and Scandanavian countries. Insurance is a scam when it comes to health care.

[j3lademaster]

It really doesn't make sense that we have insurance companies middle manning everything while providing 0 value on either end... they're just milking profit out of thin air basically.

It's a scam. Many people probably died slow deaths due to this guy and many others when their treatments got denied, so this is only a small dose of Karma.

He actually got off easy tbh.

Saying the American Healthcare industry provides 0 value is like pointing to someone's tumor and saying it doesn't benefit their health. 0 value would be a huge improvement, in reality they provide negative impact all around from anything to price gouging to holding back medical research.

[ShawkFactory]

Or you could just make it all public and cut out the billion dollar middle man. It's proven in European countries that the tax model makes health care cheaper to provide. And their facilities are gorgeous in Germany and Scandanavian countries. Insurance is a scam when it comes to health care.

Mistook your original post. My bad.

But if you were to make this a reality, which I agree with, you would get the inevitable pushback from the short-sighted "conservative" government spenders asking who's going to pay for it. It would take time but large hospital systems down to small physician practices could cut costs significantly without having to employ entire teams and sometimes departments in charge of billing and denials management.

That and practices would (in theory) feel more comfortable charging less knowing that they're going to get paid for most things they bill.

Yes, premiums would be higher. But care would cost less (again, in theory).

[ShawkFactory]

The price of medicine and surgeries are set high BECAUSE of insurance companies, and most of the money paid towards medical are profited by insurance companies, not the actual doctors and hospital staff. If everything we paid into hsa etc were all going to hospital staff and doctors and doctors were making nba player money, I’d actually be way more ok with that because doctors are one of the highest value roles in society.

I know where you’re coming from with this; a good surgeon should be making 7 figures or close to it, so it shouldn’t be out of this world for a several hour surgery to cost 10’s of thousands if not into the 6 figures. I agree, which is why we need to socialize that burden, which is insurance is doing while taking a 1000% upcharge while pulling funding on med and surgical research just before a cure can be found, because cures aren’t profitable- keeping them alive and sick is. This is why Germany is lapping us in surgical innovation despite us being the global powerhouse and throwing more money at the problem.

Yea that's the crux of it. It would take a massive realignment but it could absolutely be done.

I've worked with enough greedy doctors to know that it would be difficult but it's better than what we currently have.

[diamenz]

It really doesn't make sense that we have insurance companies middle manning everything while providing 0 value on either end... they're just milking profit out of thin air basically.

It's a scam. Many people probably died slow deaths due to this guy and many others when their treatments got denied, so this is only a small dose of Karma.

He actually got off easy tbh.

my sentiments exactly. a 'mafia middle-man' between people and their doctors is all it is. insurance companies want to (understandably in a capitalist system) maximize their profits as much as humanely possible and that in turn has the unfortunate side effect of incentivizing them to deny people's claims as often as humanly possible. these companies have dedicated departments that go out of their way to look for reasons and find loopholes to deny people coverage in their moments of need. we pay these companies hundreds, sometimes in the high hundreds every month and when you finally end up needing them to come through for you they can just up and say nope - not happening. you're just asking for a revolution. this is what happens when you privatize health care. the profit motive makes these companies billions of $ every year just to price gouge you on the front end and deny you care on the back end.

honestly it should come as no surprise that this happened and when you really think about it you wonder why it didn't happen sooner. how many people have died or lost a loved one due to a lack of health care coverage? because someone hesitated to go to a doctor because they didn't want to face a diagnosis that they knew they couldn't afford to treat. or passed on a 'hit or miss' surgery because they didn't want to burden their family with medical debt. someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the comments on social media and youtube are crazy but that's because damn near everybody in this country - if they haven't experienced it for themselves, know somebody who went through some nightmare scenario with a health insurance company and got left in the dark in their time of need. it's a *ucking racket man. and as long as these companies continue to pay of our congress with legal bribes nothing's gonna change.

[ShawkFactory]

my sentiments exactly. a 'mafia middle-man' between people and their doctors is all it is. insurance companies want to (understandably in a capitalist system) maximize their profits as much as humanely possible and that in turn has the unfortunate side effect of incentivizing them to deny people's claims as often as humanly possible. these companies have dedicated departments that go out of their way to look for reasons and find loopholes to deny people coverage in their moments of need. we pay these companies hundreds, sometimes in the high hundreds every month and when you finally end up needing them to come through for you they can just up and say nope - not happening. you're just asking for a revolution. this is what happens when you privatize health care. the profit motive makes these companies billions of $ every year just to price gouge you on the front end and deny you care on the back end.

honestly it should come as no surprise that this happened and when you really think about it you wonder why it didn't happen sooner. how many people have died or lost a loved one due to a lack of health care coverage? because someone hesitated to go to a doctor because they didn't want to face a diagnosis that they knew they couldn't afford to treat. or passed on a 'hit or miss' surgery because they didn't want to burden their family with medical debt. someone mentioned earlier in this thread that the comments on social media and youtube are crazy but that's because damn near everybody in this country - if they haven't experienced it for themselves, know somebody who went through some nightmare scenario with a health insurance company and got left in the dark in their time of need. it's a *ucking racket man. and as long as these companies continue to pay of our congress with legal bribes nothing's gonna change.

I did some medical coding for a while a few years back. It's crazy how many stipulations there are. Particularly for a complex procedure.

It's almost purposely convoluted and they're banking on billing/coding teams not being able to figure it out on one end, and off-shore reps not being able to figure it out on theirs.

[BurningHammer]

https://news.sky.com/story/brian-tho...-park-13269331

On Friday, detectives found the backpack in the park, but no weapon has been recovered from it or from other searches carried out by officers, two senior law enforcement officials close to the investigation told NBC News.

This freakin' madlad.

[Media Moderator]

They need to get this guy soon. His legend is growing by the minute. UHG is the 4th largest corporation in America and likely to pass Apple this year or next for #3. Dude smoked a top 5 CEO in the nation in broad daylight and the NYPD and FBI still hasn't found him(although it appears he already left NYC). There are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of social media posts supporting him. Even hot girls proposing marriage or at least a hookup whenever he wants


Amazing someone can get away with this as long as he has in 2024. Even more worrisome for the elites, especially if he gets away, is that there will be copycat assassinations not only of healthcare CEOs but all Fortune 500 CEOs as well. And though highly unlikely, the beginnings of a revolution against the societal and political elites.