Lebron James vs Kobe Bryant, in the season, in MVP talk, more

[RedBlackAttack]

Please don't flatter yourself, I could care less about you as a poster.

Maybe it is just your abrasive nature? I prefer to engage in conversations without calling people 'dense' and questioning posters' brain cells... especially when I'm dealing with someone who clearly has a good handle on basketball and the English language. There are some posters who deserve to have their intellect questioned. I don't think I am one of them.

[mlh1981]

Dont care for the MVP award anymore, it'd be nice if Kobe can finally get one and based on the history, criteria of the award, its his time but the award has been a joke lately.

Finals MVP is what its all about.

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be any sort of criteria for the MVP award. Is it most OUTSTANDING player, or most VALUABLE? Statistics speak louder to me than something determined by a panel of writers. "MVP" is such an intangible thing these days. Yeah, Dirk won it last year, but everyone knows that he's not the best player in the league. Why not just cut the crap and give it to the BEST PLAYER? I mean, everyone knows that Shaq should've won about 4-5 in a row when with L.A. He was THE most valuable player, as he was the most dominating, unstoppable force in the league. To have given the award to others almost seems like a courtesy. Kinda like Malone winning the MVP over Jordan in 97.

[Phenomenon]

I agree with hotsizzle about the MVP award. They really should create a Player of the Year award.

Player of the Year = LeBron James by a landslide.
MVP = Kobe Bryant or Chris Paul

That way everyone's happy.

[RedBlackAttack]

I agree with hotsizzle about the MVP award. They really should create a Player of the Year award.

Player of the Year = LeBron James by a landslide.
MVP = Kobe Bryant or Chris Paul

That way everyone's happy.

Agreed.

[john_d]

Agreed.

there is a Player of the Year... award.. it is called finals MVP.

averaging 40-40-40 doesn't give u sqat if u can't get to the finals... and win it all

[Loki]

lol that's what those are..... jumpers, close (paint) dunks and tips

It's eFG% though, which means that Kobe gets extra credit for 3's, since he takes the same amount as Lebron but shoots 3.9% better from 3. Like I said, wait for the hot zone charts where you can just calculate raw FG% outside dunks/layups. Kobe is probably a significantly better shooter even excluding 3's, however. Actually, if you work backwards from their season's totals using the percentages on 82games.com, you can probably calculate this right now. In fact, I just did so:

Kobe: 42.0% on non-3pt jumpers

Lebron: 37.0% on non-3pt jumpers


All you have to do to calculate this is to use the 82games.com % breakdowns (e.g., 62% of Lebron's shots are jumpers), use this along with their season shot totals to calculate the actual number of jumpers they've each taken; then, you subtract the 3FGA from this # to obtain the number of 2FGA. You then simply calculate the eFG% for each of them on their 3-pt shot attempts (1.5*3FGM/3FGA), multiply this by the percentage of their totals shot attempts that their # of 3FGA represents, subtract that product from the 82games.com "jumpshot eFG%", and then divide the result by the percentage of their overall jumpshot attempts which 2-pt FGA accounts for. For example, for Kobe, using both 82games.com and basketball-reference.com season totals for this year:


74% of Kobe's attempts are jumpers
1259 total FGA thus far in 2008 x .74 = 932 total jumpshots
932 - 298 (3FGA) = 634 total 2FGA
Kobe's eFG% on 3-pointers is 52.6% ((104+(104*.5))/298)
3 pointers constitute 32% of Kobe's total # of jumpshots (298/932)
2 points therefore constitute 68% of Kobe's jumpshot attempts (100%-32%)

Kobe's overall jumpshot eFG% is the sum of his 3-pt eFG% and his 2-pt eFG%, and equals 45.3%; this can be expressed using the above values (and using whole numbers for the eFG% values and decimal values for the percentage of jumpshots that are 2 or3-pt to avoid confusion) as:

(.32*52.3) + (.68*x) = 45.3

(.32*52.3) = ~16.74, so this simplifies to:

(.68*x) + 16.74 = 45.3

Subtracting 16.74 from both sides yields:

.68*x = 28.56

Dividing both sides by .68 solves for "x", which is the 2-pt eFG% (which is equal to the 2-pt FG%):

x = 42


You can do the same for Lebron. Tedious, but at least you don't have to wait for the NBA to put up their hot zone charts.

[RedBlackAttack]

there is a Player of the Year... award.. it is called finals MVP.

averaging 40-40-40 doesn't give u sqat if u can't get to the finals... and win it all

So... Tony Parker was the Player of the Year last season?

Why would it be called Player of the YEAR if it isn't really about the entire YEAR, but only about what you do in one 7-game series? That makes no sense.

[john_d]

So... Tony Parker was the Player of the Year last season?

Why would it be called Player of the YEAR if it isn't really about the entire YEAR, but only about what you do in one 7-game series? That makes no sense.

it makes no sense to u cause ur mind is stuck up with useless stats... and u seem to forget the most important stat of all... the W

[Phenomenon]

it makes no sense to u cause ur mind is stuck up with useless stats... and u seem to forget the most important stat of all... the W

So Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups were the players of the year just because they played for the team of the year. Great analogy.

[john_d]

So Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups were the players of the year just because they played for the team of the year. Great analogy.

u can have u best statistical player, best statistical rebounder, shotblocker.

but a mark of the best player of the year is the person who took his team to the finals and win it all. everyone seems to be forgetting basketball is a teamsport.

[RedBlackAttack]

it makes no sense to u cause ur mind is stuck up with useless stats... and u seem to forget the most important stat of all... the W

What on earth are you babbling about?

[RedBlackAttack]

u can have u best statistical player, best statistical rebounder, shotblocker.

but a mark of the best player of the year is the person who took his team to the finals and win it all. everyone seems to be forgetting basketball is a teamsport.

Alright John Wooden. Forgive us for having a debate about an award given out annually to an individual player.

Now, go practice the picket fence.

[Phenomenon]

but a mark of the best player of the year is the person who took his team to the finals and win it all. everyone seems to be forgetting basketball is a teamsport.

But Tony Parker did not "lead" San Antonio to the finals, he's arguably not better then Manu Ginobilli and definitely isn't better then Tim Duncan.

Billups is a leader of Detroit but he wasn't that much more productive then Prince (containing Kobe), Rasheed or Ben Wallace...yet he still won Finals MVP because he contributed the most. Your logic is flawed man, it's not just black and white.

[RedBlackAttack]

u can have u best statistical player, best statistical rebounder, shotblocker.

but a mark of the best player of the year is the person who took his team to the finals and win it all. everyone seems to be forgetting basketball is a teamsport.

[john_d]

Alright John Wooden. Forgive us for having a debate about an award given out annually to an individual player.

Now, go practice the picket fence.

if it was given as for individual performance.. how come kobe never won it? how come jordan's 88-89 season didnt get him the mvp?