Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 76
  1. #31
    I usually hit open layups 9spurs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    196

    Default

    It's about time, they had to dump that coach.

  2. #32
    Missing Since 2009 kwajo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    On the water
    Posts
    5,575

    Default

    sorry, it's hard to keep track of all the user names that have those four letters in them, it seems like there are dozens and they easily get mixed up

  3. #33
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    1) They should have never fired Musselman

    2) Montgomery deserved some kind of chance

    3) Don Nelson is a terriffic coach. If Mike D. ever had the chance to be a good-NBA player its now. Forwards with diverse skills thrive under Nelson. That's what we heard Mike D. is - so he should be thrive - assuming he really has diverse skills.

    4) Foyle hitting a 3 under Nelson will be a highlight of the NBA season.

  4. #34
    I usually hit open layups Ricardo Tubbs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    196

    Default

    Wow you people overrate Don Nelson. Not since the Bucks has any one of his teams actually overachieved.

    What Mullin should have done is quit and hire Nelson as the GM.

  5. #35
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    I remember when Don Nelson took over as head coach for the Knicks.

    It was a mountain of contraversy. Nelson followed Riley. Riley's system was traditional, effective, and very simple - pg handles, sg shoots, sf is versatile, pf rebounds, center stays on the block and everybody defends their opposing number, directs the opponent to the middle where help is waiting.

    Nelson came in and immeidately turned things around. Everyone handles, everyone shoots, everyone is on the blocks, cross-match on defense.

    Ewing critics will say it failed because Nelson wanted to make the versatile Mason the "centerpiece" of the team but Ewing still wanted his shots. so following a bad streak caused by these growing pains, Ewing turned the whole team against Nelson and brought in the more traditional Van Gundy.

    Nelson critics will say that it failed because Nelson had Ewing shooting 3's, while Starks was trying to manuever inside. It failed because Ewing was not under the basket on defense, so teams were just doing layup drills against the Knicks.

    It really goes to intent. Did it fail because Ewing and crew refused to change? Or did it fail because Nelson did not coach his personnel, and they were just not capable of change?

    Personally, I don't like any plan that takes my best shot blocker and inside scorer out from the paint - so I side with Ewing and co. Meanwhile, did it really fail? They went 35 and 22 over 57 games before he was fired. Thats on pace for a 50 win season. Knicks would give their right nut for that.

  6. #36
    NJ Net Fan For Life. wang4three's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    11,934

    Default

    baron's back already is broken.

  7. #37
    Very good NBA starter
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,314

    Default

    i've been kicking sand in the warrirors' faces for years. but i think they will finally be good again. nelson's specialty is that he isn't a one-philosophy coach. he's not stubborn like most old school guys who enforce every guy to play the same way. nelson actually allows a lot of flexibility so he really knows how to utilize talent. instead of converting players into something they're not, he does the opposite and tries to maximize their talents in what they're good at. this won't win championships, but it's certainly good enough to be competitive and make the playoffs. with nelson on board, guys like baron davis will have a career again.

  8. #38
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DCL
    nelson's specialty is that he isn't a one-philosophy coach. he's not stubborn like most old school guys who enforce every guy to play the same way. nelson actually allows a lot of flexibility so he really knows how to utilize talent. instead of converting players into something they're not, he does the opposite and tries to maximize their talents in what they're good at.
    I disagree. Nelson is as rigid a coach as there is in the league. He isn't a task-master and his approach is more laid back, but he coaches one system. He likes a motion offense, where everyone gets touches all over the floor. He expects versatility in all his players. He is inflexible on that.

    He does not maximize player's talents, though he tires ot maximize the number of skills each player has.

    He will be good for the Warriors, but not for the reasons you cite.

  9. #39
    Very good NBA starter
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,314

    Default

    nelson plays the system that works best with the pieces that he has. motion offense just happens to be something that works with his players. if he has small guys, he'll play small ball and run tmc. if he has a manute, he'll position him into the game and might even let him shoot 3's. nelson will experiment and try things and is open to creativity. he's one of the least inflexible coaches in the league if you compare him to the hot heads like larry brown. he's far from rigid.
    Last edited by DCL; 08-29-2006 at 03:27 PM.

  10. #40
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DCL
    nelson plays the system that works best with the pieces that he has. if he has small guys, he'll play small ball and rum tmc. if he has a manute, he'll position him into the game. he's one of the lease inflexible coaches in the league if you compare him to the hot heads like larry brown.
    I disagree. I'm not sure which Don Nelson team you've watched, but its not accidental that all Nelson teams play the same way. Him and Brown are about the same. They have a way they like their temas to play and coach it. In fact, Brown is slightly more flexible - the 76ers, didn't play much like Pistons, who didn't really play like the Pacers.

  11. #41
    Very good NBA starter
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,314

    Default

    I'm not sure which Don Nelson team you've watched, but its not accidental that all Nelson teams play the same way.
    if not motion offense, how else would you had coached the warriors or the mavs? ? that's the logical and ideal strategy with those pieces that those teams had. he's given his players a lot of freedom. and he wasn't stubborn. he didn't try to force someone to become a defensive specialist or stopper if he was a just a 3 point shooter. he just let them run and play.

  12. #42
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    Lets take a look at Nelson coaching history to see how he changes things up based on his talent and flexibility - as DCL keeps saying (from Wilkepedia)

    Nelson took over the reins of General Manager and Coach of the Milwaukee Bucks in 1976 and began to show what would later become his signature style of wheeling and dealing players...It is also in Milwaukee where Nelson became known for his unorthodox, arguably, innovative basketball philosophy. He was known to have introduced the concept of the point forward - a tactic wherein small forwards are used to direct the offense. In Nelson's tenure with the Bucks, he used 6-5 small forward Paul Pressey for the role. This enabled Nelson to field shooting guards Sidney Moncrief and Craig Hodges or Ricky Pierce at the same time without worrying about who would run the offense.

    Zaza note - ok, so he has a point forward so he can run the forward with 2 shooters to create mismatches

    Nelson then became Coach and Vice President of the Golden State Warriors. In Golden State, he instilled a run and gun style of offense. Again using an unconventional lineup which featured three guards (Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway and Sarunas Marciulionis) and two forwards (Chris Mullin and the 6-8 Rod Higgins at center)

    Zaza note - ok, so he has a point guard that hruns with 2 shooters to create mismatches. wow, Nelson keeps making these adjustments ot his talent everywhere he goes

    In 1995, Nelson would begin his stint with the Knicks, which lasted from that July until March of 1996. Nelson had many personal problems with the players, though, and led them to a lackluster 34-25 start. He also favored a more up-tempo style of offense, sharply contrasting with the Knicks hard-nosed defensive style of play.

    Zaza note - they don't get into his lineups, but I'll tell you he tried ot make Mason a point forward and run him with - guess what - 2 shooters. and good job adjusting to talent by taking a talented half-court team and turning them into a poor up-tempo team. Nelson keeps making these adjustments ot his talent everywhere he goes

    Nelson was named Head Coach and General Manager of the Dallas Mavericks in 1997, and led them to four consecutive 50 win seasons. The trio of Steve Nash, Michael Finley, and Dirk Nowitzki became the foundation for the dramatic turnaround. In Dallas, Nelson created an offensive powerhouse in which every player could score at any time.

    Zaza note - up-tempo offense - check - multiple shooters - check - everyone asked to do everything - check.

    By my count, on 4 teams, Nelson has tried to run the same exact offense - that's right - 4 times. But he's not rigid.

  13. #43
    Local High School Star Joey Zaza's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,024

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DCL
    if not motion offense, how else would you had coached the warriors or the mavs? ? that's the logical and ideal strategy with those pieces that those teams had. he's given his players a lot of freedom. and he wasn't stubborn. he didn't try to force someone to become a defensive specialist or stopper if he was a just a 3 point shooter. he just let them run and play.
    Well, he's also always the GM and Coach so he brings in the guys who will fit into his system.

    He gives his players alot of freedom to play his way.

  14. #44
    Very good NBA starter
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    8,314

    Default

    first of all, i'm not sure if it's even worthwhile to respond to someone who needs wikipedia to talk about basketball.

    the bucks were ahead of my time, but the offense he ran with the warriors made sense. he cancelled the bigs, practically eliminated a bit inside game unless you consider tyrone hill to bring run tmc to the table. at new york, he just didn't get along with his players. in dallas, you make it sound like it's nelson's fault that he had a very talented team that mark cuban paid for. like i said, how else would you had coached that team? look at the pieces. motion offense was logical. an nba coach letting his players focus on scoring and not play much defense is far from rigid. he lets the players maximize their talents and play the way that they're good at. i think maybe you don't like don nelson because he didn't do too well with the knicks and you're a van gundy guy.

  15. #45
    From Out Of Nowhere chains5000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Bilbao
    Posts
    8,244

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey Zaza
    Well, he's also always the GM and Coach so he brings in the guys who will fit into his system.

    He gives his players alot of freedom to play his way.
    Will they fire Mullin to make Nelson the GM? Mullin hasn't been exactly perfect as GM...

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •