1994 Pippen should have been mvp

[Reggie43]

Finishing second in Mvp votes enroute to a second round exit does sound better

Imagine him getting Mvp in 94 in the aftermath of the most famous 1.8 seconds in nba history

[Roundball_Rock]

The best part is they are so consumed with hatred towards Pippen and insecurity and fear regarding LeBron they can't even see it.

It is like taking candy from a baby. Just take their argument, apply to Pippen's peers and voila! Pippen comes out looking even better using their own logic.

The best part of the thread, though, is MJ stans admitting the Bulls with Pete Myers in place of MJ=the Knicks (the 90's Bulls' top competition) at full strength...

[tpols]

Is this a player that is too dependent on team play to get going?

Shows his full arsenal with stepbacks, fadeaways, faceup drives runners etc.

wait a second...

in this video alone we see reggie do...

blow by 2 handed dunk
euro step finger roll layup
an assortment of floaters and tear drops off the dribble
chef style deep 3's
a fakeout, up and under dumble pump 3 (wtf)
backdoor cuts for layup

and this is all from ONE game??



How come everybody acts like reggie was a simple shooter?

He had a huge bag of tricks.

[Roundball_Rock]

Speaking of Reggie, he must be better than Shaq, right--since he "outplayed" Shaq "head to head" in the playoffs (47 win team versus 50 win team for Shaq, therefore they must have been equal). Yet another reason to disqualify Shaq from MVP consideration under the professed Jordanian standard (Robinson, Ewing disqualified as well per MJ stan's own professed criteria). If Reggie>Shaq maybe he was as great as people think 25 years after the fact (he was a 1x all-star before Spike Lee)!

[LostCause]

ITT: Got dudes who cite Backpicks left and right for Pippen but ignore that very same source who used the same exact criteria when it comes to Miller, lol. You morons never change with the hypocrisy

That said, no. He shouldn’t have been MVP

[Roundball_Rock]

Yes, because you must agree with every single sentence written by an author. Even BP has Miller behind the other players being mentioned here and notes his peak wasn't top 50 all-time. Miller is higher than his low peak in BP due to longevity--he chugged along at a non-superstar but star level for a long time. That isn't what we are hearing. We are hearing Miller was this superstar who was flat out better prime versus prime compared to real superstars.

One side is presenting information and comparing it to his peers, others going on a "Pippen sucks" crusade presenting cherry picked information relative to him in a vacuum because they know what a holistic picture would look like.

The arguments that have been presented "against" Pippen lead to the conclusion--by MJ stans' own stated criteria--that he should have finished 2nd, not 3rd, in MVP but the echo chamber can't grasp how their own criteria applies to anyone else, drunk on hatred and insecurity as the specter of LeBron James looms.

[tpols]

ITT: Got dudes who cite Backpicks left and right for Pippen but ignore that very same source who used the same exact criteria when it comes to Miller, lol. You morons never change with the hypocrisy

That said, no. He shouldn’t have been MVP

That's not morons.

thats just roundball.

he only uses stats when they fit his cherrypicked criteria.

[Roundball_Rock]

What "cherry picked criteria"? Let's see your self-professed analytic powers explain this.

I have a consistent criteria, unlike you and others in this thread, who literally change your criteria from player to player, series to series, etc.

[Round Mound]

1993-94 Pippen;

- 3rd in Plus/Minus
- 4th in PER
- 5th In Defensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Offensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Value Over Replacement Player
- 7th in Defensive Win Shares
- 7th in Win Shares
- 7th In Defensive Rating
- 9th in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

And Lead his Team to 55 wins (two wins less than the prior season) WITHOUT MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

1993-94 Pippen;

- 3rd in Plus/Minus
- 4th in PER
- 5th In Defensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Offensive Plus/Minus
- 5th In Value Over Replacement Player
- 7th in Defensive Win Shares
- 7th in Win Shares
- 7th In Defensive Rating
- 9th in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

And Lead his Team to 55 wins (two wins less than the prior season) WITHOUT MJ.

A record so strong they can't make honest good faith, consistent arguments against it.

[Reggie43]

Strongest second round exit ever?

[Roundball_Rock]

That is an actual example of fake/biased criteria. The same people who harp on a second round loss have been saying Shaq, Robinson (even Kemp in the WOAT 1st round loss ) should have been higher in MVP than Pippen. So second round loss bad*; first round loss is fine. It is all #agenda driven. Same with the faux metrics of playoff scoring, playoff efficiency, or win-loss records (the poster who railed the most about that in this thread re Pippen and Ewing--days later--in another thread, concerning another player, suddenly wants to separate out 1) games missed by the star in question 2) games missed by his best teammate. Using his own new professed logic, Pippen>Ewing but with Pippen nothing counts but the full 82).

A real criteria is a criteria you apply consistently to every player.

Keep it coming. It is pure comedy to see Pippen haters (MJ stans and a handful of fake fans of other teams) careen from deceptive TP to deceptive TP (or even false TP, like pretending Pippen was on the Dream Team bubble) and get exposed again and again.

*If you lose to the Knicks in 7 in the second round you suck; if you lose to the Knicks in the next round (playing worse than the Bulls did) that is a heroic feat--per the same people.

[Reggie43]

Yep keep clinging to that 55 win second round exit

[Roundball_Rock]

It beats getting swept in the first round.

[Reggie43]

It beats getting swept in the first round.

Pretty sure Pippen would rather get swept in the first round than be reminded of that last 1.8 seconds