Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

[Back In Shape]

You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

You are stating the same thing I've said in previous posts. The vaccine is worthless against the new variants.

[tontoz]

You are stating the same thing I've said in previous posts. The vaccine is worthless against the new variants.

No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less just recently and the Delta variant ( which is more contagious and more likely to cause severe illness) didn't even exist this time last year last year. The first documented case wasn't until December and it didn't become common here until this summer.

But none of that registers to simpletons like you.

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine provides protection against the Delta variant but not full immunity. That is why ICU beds aren't being filled with people who are vaccinated. They are being filled with anti vax nutjobs.

[Manny98]

You can't make a vaccine that gives full immunity for a virus that mutates. It simply isn't possible.

When people get a flu shot they aren't immune from the flu because the flu has so many variants.

The Delta variant didn't even exist this time last year so how could the vaccine provide immunity from it?

So why the f*ck are you suggesting that it should be mandated when it doesn't even do what it's designed to do

You can still catch Covid and die whether you're vaccinated or not vaccinated

Yes getting vaccinated reduces the chances of you dying but it doesn't give you full protection from anything

And people under 30 are more likely to do from side effects from the vaccine than Covid itself

[tontoz]

So why the f*ck are you suggesting that it should be mandated when it doesn't even do what it's designed to do

You can still catch Covid and die whether you're vaccinated or not vaccinated

Yes getting vaccinated reduces the chances of you dying but it doesn't give you full protection from anything

And people under 30 are more likely to do from side effects from the vaccine than Covid itself

Hospital ICUs are overflowing with COVID patients who aren't vaccinated.

I already posted the story where the CEO of Delta Airlines said that each COVID hospital stay cost his company $50k and they all of his employees in the hospital are unvaccinated. They are going to charge their workers $200/month who choose to remain unvaccinated. I am sure other companies will follow suit.

When I got the vaccine in May it was a bit of a leap of faith. There wasn't as much evidence as there is now. I knew some people who got the vaccine before me and said the side effects were mild (sore arm, grogginess).

But back then the benefits of the vaccine weren't as clear as they are now

[Cleverness]

Texas available hospital beds on March 18, 2020: 8,155 (source)

Texas available hospital beds today August 11, 2021: 13,696 (source)

Texas available hospital beds today September 4, 2021: 14,317 (source)

Hospital ICUs are overflowing with COVID patients who aren't vaccinated.

So after 18 months of preparation, $13.3 trillion in allocated spending in the name of Covid-19, hospitals eerily empty in 2020, 70-80% of the high risk fully vaccinated w/ the unvaxxed having some level of immunity, and the states "hardest hit" having thousands more hospital beds available than they had in March 2020 before Covid-19, the hospitals are.. "overwhelmed."

Interesting take.

Btw, what is the absolute risk reduction for hospitalization/death over 6-12 months after becoming fully vaccinated? You can break it down by age groups.

[Manny98]

Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet

[Back In Shape]

No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less just recently and the Delta variant ( which is more contagious and more likely to cause severe illness) didn't even exist this time last year last year. The first documented case wasn't until December and it didn't become common here until this summer.

But none of that registers to simpletons like you.

There is plenty of evidence that the vaccine provides protection against the Delta variant but not full immunity. That is why ICU beds aren't being filled with people who are vaccinated. They are being filled with anti vax nutjobs.

You are so caught up in tribal politics you can no longer see the truth if it walked up to you and put it's dick in your mouth. You are just as bad as the side claiming it's a bad flu.

Look at how angry you've become over this religion of vaccination. You have emotional stake in being right over it.

Hey, I know how serious the virus is. I've got my 2 jabs. I bought into the hype that once there was a majority of people vaccinated that Covid would quickly go away. Well I can admit I was wrong. I'm sorry you can't. The virus has proven smarter than your vaccine.

[tontoz]

Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet

Why don't you go to your local hospital and see for yourself. Don't you know anyone who works in healthcare?

Why do you think dozens of doctors walked out in Florida protesting unvaccinated patients?

These antivax nuts talk about freedom. Let me clue you in on something. You aren't free in your own car. You need a license, insurance and you have to wear your seat belt or get a ticket.

Seat belts didn't exist in cars originally. When they were invented and their benefits became apparent people resisted them, complaining about their freedom just like anti vax nuts now. So they became mandatory.

The vaccine will become mandatory for most people in the workforce soon enough.

[Cleverness]

Hospitals aren't overflowing lol

That's blatant blatant propaganda trying to villanize the people that chose to no get the vaccine, that's all the media have been doing this past month is making the unvaccinated look like the worst people on the planet

Yeah, it's kinda difficult to buy the "hospitals overflowing due to the small % of people still unvaxxed" narrative when given all that info I just listed. Vaccine is super effective + 80%+ of high risk group fully vaxxed and/or some immunity + hospitals overwhelmed doesn't add up.

Btw, as I've said in the past, I think the vaccine does provide *some* protection against severe Covid-19 symptoms (just based on all the data I've looked at), but unfortunately we simply don't have any RCTs that were done to show it reduces your chance of being hospitalized or dying. The best RCT we had actually had 1 more death in the vaccine group than the control.

[Cleverness]

Why don't you go to your local hospital and see for yourself. Don't you know anyone who works in healthcare?

Why do you think dozens of doctors walked out in Florida protesting unvaccinated patients?

These antivax nuts talk about freedom. Let me clue you in on something. You aren't free in your own car.

-Yeah..

-White doctors in FL walked out and refused to treat Black patients. **** them. Absolutely despicable.

-What does "freedom" mean to you?

[coin24]

The overflowing hospital spiel is just a huge media propaganda tool..

The “vaccine” is basically just a flu shot. If they marketed it as that, ie, take one in autumn to give you protection for the flu season, they might have had a chance at everybody taking it..

But thats not the real agenda is it. All of these extra police and government powers, surveillance etc passports are the real plan..
Everything you do will be tied to the “vaccine passport”. Havnt had your booster? Can’t register your car, work, go to the gym or restaurant etc you will be on a tight leash forever..

[Cleverness]

No you are an idiot that is making stuff up and acting like it's true. You compare today's numbers to last year's without taking into account that schools are open, people were allowed in public mask less

simpletons like you.

nutjobs.

Interesting assumptions there.

How many infections did school closures prevent from March 2020 to June 2021?

How many infections have masks prevented so far, or through June 2021?

[Back In Shape]

But thats not the real agenda is it. All of these extra police and government powers, surveillance etc passports are the real plan..
Everything you do will be tied to the “vaccine passport”. Havnt had your booster? Can’t register your car, work, go to the gym or restaurant etc you will be on a tight leash forever..

The fact that he's gloating over forced vaccinations in the workplace tells me I don't want to be on THAT side. I'm not sure if I even have a side but that one definitely ain't the one for me.

[tontoz]

The fact that he's gloating over forced vaccinations in the workplace tells me I don't want to be on THAT side. I'm not sure if I even have a side but that one definitely ain't the one for me.

News flash: you had to take a laundry list of vaccines to attend school as a kid. Off the top of my head mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus...varies by state and age but there were a lot of them.

In some states the flu vaccine was mandatory as the COVID vaccine surely will be.

Get over it

[Back In Shape]

News flash: you had to take a laundry list of vaccines to attend school as a kid. Off the top of my head mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus...varies by state and age but there were a lot of them.

In some states the flu vaccine was mandatory as the COVID vaccine surely will be.

Get over it

You are missing the point of my entire thread. These vaccines don't work. When they have the effectiveness of the mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus vaccines then get back to me. You are gloating over people forced to get a vaccine that has proven not to work so far.