Anyone believe Covid is very serious but at same time the vaccine ain't doing shit?

[Doomsday Dallas]

You are missing the point of my entire thread. These vaccines don't work. When they have the effectiveness of the mumps, measles, chicken pox, tetanus vaccines then get back to me. You are gloating over people forced to get a vaccine that has proven not to work so far.

this.

[tontoz]

Well gallstones can be a result of a bad diet so maybe he died because he was unhealthy. See even that can get tricky. Should someone who treats their body like crap get preferences over non vaxxers if they need treatment?

Here is the full story. He did 2 tours of duty in Afghanistan so I see no reason to believe he didn't take care of himself. He was 46.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-u...tag=YHF4eb9d17

[dankok8]

The vaccine ain't doing shit?

[tontoz]

this.

I suppose it's just a wild coincidence that hospitals in WV are so full of unvaccinated COVID cases that a conservative governor who is against mask mandates is giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated.

[Bronbron23]

The problem in those numbers is that they are comparing vaccinated people to each other, not to unvaccinated people but you are too brainwashed to notice that.

He is literally begging people to get vaccinated because there are so many unvaccinated people in their hospitals. WV is not a wealthy state and they are literally giving away prizes for people to.get vaccinated.

Pretty sobering vid. It is pretty bad there, certainly a lot worse than where I live in MD.


At the 54 minute mark where he addeesses the elephant in the room.

What if you had a child or parent that was injured or sick but they couldn't get care because the hospital was filled with unvaccinated COVID patients?

My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation

[tontoz]

My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation

No they really aren't. If that was the case then there wouldn't be space for people who are there through no fault of their own, like the person who got hit by the drunk driver.

You shou check out the last few minutes of that vid. The governor paints a pretty bleak picture of the next few weeks.

[Off the Court]

I suppose it's just a wild coincidence that hospitals in WV are so full of unvaccinated COVID cases that a conservative governor who is against mask mandates is giving out prizes for people to get vaccinated.

Anyone who thinks the vaccines aren't working are living in complete denial at this point.

Idaho:

[tontoz]

I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.

[Cleverness]

My problem with that last question is personal choice has never matterd before when it comes to an overwhelmed hospital. They don't say well your heart attack is due to bad choices or your leg is falling off because you got in an accident because you chose to drive to fast. Hospitals are full of people who have caused their own situation

tontoz hasn't actually proved that "hospitals have been overwhelmed due to ivermectin" or even Covid-19. He hasn't even answered basic followup questions to his assertions.

We're still waiting for him to make the case. There are 3,006 counties and 50 states in the US. How many have been overwhelmed by Covid-19 in 2020? 2021?

PS: you're also right about personal choice not mattering in the past. If only people knew how many drug addicts were getting free $100k drug treatments. tontoz would be surprised to round with some physicians in a teaching hospital and learn about how many people are admitted for:

1) accidental injury due to partying too hard or doing dumb shit
2) alcohol overdoses
3) other drug overdoses
4) attempted suicide
5) HIV, HEP C, mainly from drug abuse and lifestyle choices
6) cardiovascular complications - poor diet, exercise, sleep, along with choosing not to take their preventative meds
7) pneumonia & sepsis - usually very old/frail pts
8) non-compliance with diabetes meds & again, poor lifestyle choices
9) COPD - smokers, for example
10) even some you can argue are in there for "no fault of their own" put off routine cancer screenings and/or ignored warning signs for months and chose not to get checked out are now in for advanced cancer
11) you'll also be surprised just how many homeless people use the hospital as a motel, especially during the winter. In some cities you can walk into a hospital and find 10-20 homeless people just lying around waiting for a bed during the winter.

The #1 reason for hosp stays in the US is pregnant women btw.

No they really aren't. If that was the case then there wouldn't be space for people who are there through no fault of their own, like the person who got hit by the drunk driver.

tontoz really has NFC.

[Cleverness]

I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.

Per The Atlantic:

Intrastate travel within Australia is also severely restricted. And the government of South Australia, one of the country’s six states, developed and is now testing an app as Orwellian as any in the free world to enforce its quarantine rules. People in South Australia will be forced to download an app that combines facial recognition and geolocation. The state will text them at random times, and thereafter they will have 15 minutes to take a picture of their face in the location where they are supposed to be. Should they fail, the local police department will be sent to follow up in person. “We don’t tell them how often or when, on a random basis they have to reply within 15 minutes,” Premier Steven Marshall explained. “I think every South Australian should feel pretty proud that we are the national pilot for the home-based quarantine app.”

Welcome to Australia, where they have a nationwide 18+ month lockdown (and still going) with Orwellian gov't surveillance policies for the illusion of controlling a widespread, endemic coronavirus from 2019 with a median age of death above average life expectancy & an at-risk population already fully vaccinated.

^ That's how it's "playing out"

[tpols]

I am curious to see what plays out in Australia. They are basically telling unvaccinated people to f off, treating them almost like lepers. Pretty extreme.

Canada too. Coming to America soon. Already here in NYC.

[Bronbron23]

tontoz hasn't actually proved that "hospitals have been overwhelmed due to ivermectin" or even Covid-19. He hasn't even answered basic followup questions to his assertions.

We're still waiting for him to make the case. There are 3,006 counties and 50 states in the US. How many have been overwhelmed by Covid-19 in 2020? 2021?

PS: you're also right about personal choice not mattering in the past. If only people knew how many drug addicts were getting free $100k drug treatments. tontoz would be surprised to round with some physicians in a teaching hospital and learn about how many people are admitted for:

1) accidental injury due to partying too hard or doing dumb shit
2) alcohol overdoses
3) other drug overdoses
4) attempted suicide
5) HIV, HEP C, mainly from drug abuse and lifestyle choices
6) cardiovascular complications - poor diet, exercise, sleep, along with choosing not to take their preventative meds
7) pneumonia & sepsis - usually very old/frail pts
8) non-compliance with diabetes meds & again, poor lifestyle choices
9) COPD - smokers, for example
10) even some you can argue are in there for "no fault of their own" put off routine cancer screenings and/or ignored warning signs for months and chose not to get checked out are now in for advanced cancer
11) you'll also be surprised just how many homeless people use the hospital as a motel, especially during the winter. In some cities you can walk into a hospital and find 10-20 homeless people just lying around waiting for a bed during the winter.

The #1 reason for hosp stays in the US is pregnant women btw.



tontoz really has NFC.

Yeah man i have no problem with people who want to take the vaccine or wear masks or whatever but don't project your irrational fears on me.

And i don't say irrational because i don't believe in covid. I say irrational because these same people don't think twice about the flu or driving even though those 2 things combined are more likely to kill someone under 50 than covid is. Not to mention all the things u listed that people will engage in.

[tontoz]

Yeah man i have no problem with people who want to take the vaccine or wear masks or whatever but don't project your irrational fears on me.

And i don't say irrational because i don't believe in covid. I say irrational because these same people don't think twice about the flu or driving even though those 2 things combined are more likely to kill someone under 50 than covid is. Not to mention all the things u listed that people will engage in.

Interesting that you bring up driving. In order to drive a car legally you need a license, insurance, registration and you have to wear a seat belt. You can be ticketed for not wearing it.

Not to mention all the traffic signs and lights

[8Ball]

Anyone who thinks the vaccines aren't working are living in complete denial at this point.

Idaho:

Crickets.

You can show them the world is round they still won't believe it.

They are the vaccine truthers at this point.

[Cleverness]

You can show them the world is round they still won't believe it. They are the vaccine truthers at this point.

I've been asking basic followup questions to tontoz's claims as well as regarding the benefits of forced vaccination ITT and other threads.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14431187
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14432299
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14432305

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