Wizards jordon was worse than nearly any all-time great who played until his late 30s

[RRR3]

Still better than anything Jahidi White could do, not to mention Howard's defense. Again, the Lakers' cast was better by a mile.

Jahidi averaged 5/6 what a difference He was also a great shot blocker

[HoopsNY]

Jahidi averaged 5/6 what a difference He was also a great shot blocker

Great, so now White > Howard. That's a joke and you know it. Again, which cast was better?

[RRR3]

Your criteria was "superstar". Pippen wasn't even All-NBA until 1992. So your argument is refuted.

22/9/6 with excellent efficiency with ATG defense isn't a superstar in what universe exactly?

[RRR3]

Kyrie missed most of the first half of the 2016 season, which is why he wasn't an all-star. C'mon RRR3, stop it.

Are you seriously pretending Pippen wasn't a monster in 1991?

[HoopsNY]

Are you seriously pretending Pippen wasn't a monster in 1991?

I didn't say otherwise. I'm merely contending your claim that it's an equal comparison because Kyrie didn't make the all-star team. You omitted the fact that he missed most of the first half of the season in 2016.

[RRR3]

Great, so now White > Howard. That's a joke and you know it. Again, which cast was better?

I didn't say he was better but he's a pretty similar player to this version of Dwight, yes. Dwight was 36, how many players whose games are based entirely on athleticism are good at that age? The Lakers cast was better when AD played, but he missed 42 games. When he didn't play the casts were pretty equivalent. You also have to consider Vogel lost them many games with foolish decisions.

[RRR3]

I didn't say otherwise. I'm merely contending your claim that it's an equal comparison because Kyrie didn't make the all-star team. You omitted the fact that he missed most of the first half of the season in 2016.

Why does it matter why he missed it? Pippen missing it because the voters and coaches were stupid is supposed to be any better? No one thinks Kyrie is better than Pippen besides 3ball.

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron had Ben Wallace and then Shaq guys who won as the man already and yet Lebron loses with HCA.

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html (Lakers 1st)

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd)

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Well Wizards Jordan was a guy that climbed out from behind a desk to try to play again, and he had his moments, and he was actually fun to watch because he was still Jordan, but, you know, he wasn't really taken seriously beyond being a spectacle or a sideshow at that point.

[HoopsNY]

Why does it matter why he missed it? Pippen missing it because the voters and coaches were stupid is supposed to be any better? No one thinks Kyrie is better than Pippen besides 3ball.

Pippen was much better in the second half than he was in the first half, which is why he wasn't on the all-star team. The point is you're bringing up 2016 as if it's the same. It's not.

[theman93]

22/9/6 with excellent efficiency with ATG defense isn't a superstar in what universe exactly?

This universe. If you’re not All-NBA you’re not a super star. Period the end.

[HoopsNY]

I didn't say he was better but he's a pretty similar player to this version of Dwight, yes. Dwight was 36, how many players whose games are based entirely on athleticism are good at that age? The Lakers cast was better when AD played, but he missed 42 games. When he didn't play the casts were pretty equivalent. You also have to consider Vogel lost them many games with foolish decisions.

No he was not similar. White sucked, period. The Lakers cast was simply better. You can't conveniently delete AD from the conversation as if he didn't play at all. He did play. And with him and LeBron the team was still .500.

If LeBron is leaps and bounds over MJ, then it would have proven in the results. It didn't.

[RRR3]

Pippen was much better in the second half than he was in the first half, which is why he wasn't on the all-star team. The point is you're bringing up 2016 as if it's the same. It's not.

I was responding to a poster who acted like MJ won without star help in 91 because of a technicality. You don't get to call me out for that when you were fine with him saying something so ridiculous. As if I actually think Kyrie wasn't a star in 2016

[RRR3]

No he was not similar. White sucked, period. The Lakers cast was simply better. You can't conveniently delete AD from the conversation as if he didn't play at all. He did play. And with him and LeBron the team was still .500.

If LeBron is leaps and bounds over MJ, then it would have proven in the results. It didn't.

I'm struggling to see how Dwight Howard doesn't suck if White sucks lol. Dwight put up 7/8 on a TS% 3.8% above league average the season before he played with LeBron last year. White Put up 5/6 on a TS% 3.2% above league average but his usage percentage was 4.1% lower. His efficiency then went up a lot with LeBron, which I think we can safely credit in some part to LeBron's passing. They are both backup centers who are there to dunk and block shots and aren't good enough to play big minutes. You are also ignoring my point that the Lakers with LeBron and AD were consistently the best team in the league when healthy until this past year. Do you think it was their fault that changed or something else?

If 80s MJ is better than 09 LeBron, his results with a similar supporting cast would have proven it by your logic.

[Bawkish]

LMAO Bron stans living in The Nile river is hilarious

BTW the OP pulled a disappearing act in this thread like Bron last year in Playoffs