Wizards jordon was worse than nearly any all-time great who played until his late 30s

[outofstomach]

I haven't moved any goal posts. This is just your excuse when you're trying to deflect.

MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.

can someone please explain this? im actually reading every post and it’s amazing how every lebron stan is avoiding this point

[theman93]

Duh. The bottom line is, he still made the playoffs with a losing record.

"Duh" even though you didn't understand the difference until I broke it down for you.

And all Lebron needed to do to make the play-in was beat out the Spurs....with a losing record. But failed.

[Axe]

Coach...

The topic here is about michael jordan's years as a wizard. Not about lekong, even if you try to say that he underachieved last season (all that while ignoring some useful context).

[1987_Lakers]

can someone please explain this? im actually reading every post and it’s amazing how every lebron stan is avoiding this point

They went on a 13-2 stretch playing some bad teams.

Teams they beat in that run.

Rockets
Mavericks (Without Dirk)
Grizzlies
Heat
Knicks 2x
Raptors
Hawks
Magic
Hornets
Nets
Bulls
Clippers

Most teams on that list had a losing record.

And Keep in mind in the game they beat the Mavs, Dirk wasn't even playing.

[outofstomach]

MJ wasn't as conducive to his team winning games as 09 and 10 LeBron until Pippen became a superstar.

nice deflection you are such a sad excuse of a human being

[theman93]

Coach...

The topic here is about michael jordan's years as a wizard. Not about lekong, even if you try to say that he underachieved last season (all that while ignoring some useful context).

Says the guy bringing up the mid-80's

I'll give you another chance to explain: MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.

If you're excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?

[1987_Lakers]

nice deflection you are such a sad excuse of a human being

He's right though.

[1987_Lakers]

Bulls went 55-27 without MJ in '94.

[Axe]

Says the guy bringing up the mid-80's

I'll give you another chance to explain: MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.

If you're excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?

Who do you think played more games in their respective seasons?

[outofstomach]

They went on a 13-2 stretch playing very bad teams.

Teams that beat in that run.

Rockets
Mavericks (Without Dirk)
Grizzlies
Heat
Knicks 2x
Raptors
Hawks
Magic
Hornets
Nets
Bulls
Clippers

Most teams on that list had a losing record.

And Keep in mind in the game they beat the Mavs, Dirk wasn't even playing.

this isn’t really the overarching point, the number one argument bron stans use to put him over Jordan is his longevity, if jordan was able to lead a team to playoff contention before he got injured + a better record than even lebron’s last season in a much more tougher defensive era, how do you square the circle?

lebron didn’t have much help last year but it was certainly way better than the cast
jordan had, that’s not even getting into all the hype and bets that were made when they acquired westbrook regardless, lebron may have performed way better individually, but it didn’t show up in the record whatsoever

[outofstomach]

He's right though.

he can be right, it doesn’t make it any less of a deflection

[1987_Lakers]

this isn’t really the overarching point, the number one argument bron stans use to put him over Jordan is his longevity, if jordan was able to lead a team to playoff contention before he got injured + a better record than even lebron’s last season in a much more tougher defensive era, how do you square the circle?

lebron didn’t have much help last year but it was certainly way better than the cast
jordan had, that’s not even getting into all the hype and bets that were made when they acquired westbrook regardless, lebron may have performed way better individually, but it didn’t show up in the record whatsoever

We don't play what ifs. Fact is the Wizards didn't make the playoffs and MJ's Wizards years are largely looked as a stain on his legacy.

Deal with it.

You same guys also ignoring '09 & '10 LeBron won more games than '88 & '89 MJ despite having similar casts, why is that? Why couldn't MJ elevate his teammates back then like LeBron did?

[outofstomach]

You don't have to agree that '02 MJ > '22 LeBron. But to act like the Lakers' cast wasn't better is beyond ridiculous.

not even a conversation

[RogueBorg]

Says the guy bringing up the mid-80's

I'll give you another chance to explain: MJ was 30-30 in the games he played in 2002. Lebron was 25-31 in the games he played in 2022. Yet Lebron is supposed to be the significantly better player, he is supposed to be significantly better at elevating his teammates, and he had a better roster on top of that which included Anthony Davis for half of the season. Explain.

If you're excuse is that the 2002 Eastern Conference was significantly weaker than the 2022 Western Conference, then how come the 2022 Western Conference teams only won 1.4 more games on average than the 2002 Eastern Conference teams?

It's been obvious they can't refute your claims, so they resort to personal attacks. Classic sign that Lebronnies lost.

[theman93]

They went on a 13-2 stretch playing some bad teams.

Teams they beat in that run.

Rockets
Mavericks (Without Dirk)
Grizzlies
Heat
Knicks 2x
Raptors
Hawks
Magic
Hornets
Nets
Bulls
Clippers

Most teams on that list had a losing record.

And Keep in mind in the game they beat the Mavs, Dirk wasn't even playing.

And how many of Lebron's 26 wins came against very bad teams?