Outrageous take or no?

[SATAN]

In his playoff career, Stephen Curry has shot 0-10 on go ahead shots in the last 45 seconds. (through 2022)

Lebron is 9-18 under the same criteria btw.

[Carbine]

Steve Nash's "brand of basketball" is far superior to MJ's.

Is he the better player?

I don't agree with that. Nash needed a certain system around him to be his best self. He wasn't a ball hog for shots but he was a heavy dribble time player. When he went to the Lakers and didn't have the ball like he typically had it, he fell off.

Jordan was a quick strike off ball player during his 6 titles for the most part in the half court.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't agree with that. Nash needed a certain system around him to be his best self. He wasn't a ball hog for shots but he was a heavy dribble time player. When he went to the Lakers and didn't have the ball like he typically had it, he fell off.

Jordan was a quick strike off ball player during his 6 titles for the most part in the half court.

Lol.

Oh, really? When Nash was 37 years old and had to play next to Chuckbe, he fell off?

What an indictment.

[warriorfan]

I'm not saying anyone SHOULD take Luka.

I'm saying dont be revisionist about "prime Curry." He was not without flaws.

He was an important, AND flawed piece of a stacked team.

Luka is also an important, AND flawed piece of a far less talented team.

Those are the facts.

There is no need to get into our feels about it.

show me the facts, you showed me a lame (even you can admit) false argument

show me the stats

like i said i somewhat consider your eye test compromised since you used to harp on hero ball so much but now after luka you have turned a 180 with no explanation

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't agree with that. Nash needed a certain system around him to be his best self. He wasn't a ball hog for shots but he was a heavy dribble time player. When he went to the Lakers and didn't have the ball like he typically had it, he fell off.

Jordan was a quick strike off ball player during his 6 titles for the most part in the half court.

Also, with Nash it's a system thing, but with Curry

he allows organic team play. Actually, he doesn't allow it he inspires it. Enhances it."

Interesting.

[FultzNationRISE]

show me the facts, you showed me a lame (even you can admit) false argument

show me the stats

like i said i somewhat consider your eye test compromised since you used to harp on hero ball so much but now after luka you have turned a 180 with no explanation

Quantifying this would require combing every game log possession-by-possession, which I'm clearly not going to do.

If the game threads still exist you could probably find NUMEROUS people observing and mentioning it in real time.

It's a reputation he has, and has had, and it exists for a reason. It didnt get made up out of nowhere. I'm not someone who makes these things up. I'm telling it how it is. If you want to say the reputation is overblown, go ahead. But it exists and there is SOME basis for it.

If that upsets you... I dont know what else to say.

[warriorfan]

Quantifying this would require combing every game log possession-by-possession, which I'm clearly not going to do.

If the game threads still exist you could probably find NUMEROUS people observing and mentioning it in real time.

It's a reputation he has, and has had, and it exists for a reason. It didnt get made up out of nowhere. I'm not someone who makes these things up. I'm telling it how it is. If you want to say the reputation is overblown, go ahead. But it exists and there is SOME basis for it.

If that upsets you... I dont know what else to say.

Ok so let me get this straight


Your argument right now is “There are facts for my unsubstantiated and subjective take, but I can’t be bothered to gather them at the moment”


Ok great. Thanks for playing. This is some bladefd level of posting, lol.

[warriorfan]

Quantifying this would require combing every game log possession-by-possession, which I'm clearly not going to do.

If the game threads still exist you could probably find NUMEROUS people observing and mentioning it in real time.

It's a reputation he has, and has had, and it exists for a reason. It didnt get made up out of nowhere. I'm not someone who makes these things up. I'm telling it how it is. If you want to say the reputation is overblown, go ahead. But it exists and there is SOME basis for it.

If that upsets you... I dont know what else to say.

Read this bolded portion as if it came from a pro-kobe poster from back on the day in a kobe vs lebron discussion. Sounds exactly the same.



This is the type of stuff i’ve seen fultz and kobe fan haters go in hard on. “You weren’t there man. There was this one time…” Fultz and kobe fan haters always make fun of that shit.

“The stats don’t show!” -kobe fan

Then they would always mock the pro kobe guys and say “show me the stats” and spam cherry picked fg% and say kobe is trash.




I just once again think it’s hilarious because fultz has mocked kobe fans for this mindset for years, now he wants to use the same logic to fuel his irrational hate for curry





keep it consistent lil bro

[FultzNationRISE]

I posted his empirically abysmal go-ahead shooting percentage in the playoff clutch. That's a fact. You rejected its relevance.

I'm articulating specific issues with his play that have been widely known and observed. Youre insisting I just made this up right now.

If I had a scroll filled with airtight Pythagorean proofs of the veracity of what I'm saying, signed at the bottom by God himself, you would refuse to accept it.

So whatever.

[warriorfan]

I posted his empirically abysmal go-ahead shooting percentage in the playoff clutch. That's a fact. You rejected its relevance.

I'm articulating specific issues with his play that have been widely known and observed. Youre insisting I just made this up right now.

If I had a scroll filled with airtight Pythagorean proofs of the veracity of what I'm saying, signed at the bottom by God himself, you would refuse to accept it.

So whatever.

you should revisit kobe’s career

your basketball views have shifted so much over the years

seems like you would be a huge mamba fan now

[FultzNationRISE]

I just once again think it’s hilarious because fultz has mocked kobe fans for this mindset for years, now he wants to use the same logic to fuel his irrational hate for curry

I have criticized Luka for his ball dominance. This is not about me picking Luka over Curry. You're trying to spin it that way because you appear to be emotionally overwhelmed by criticism of Steph Curry.

Curry does a lot of great things on the court. He has an excellent handle that can break down the defense, he moves off ball, and he's the best shooter ever.

That doesnt mean "nobody else can ever compare to him."

His weaknesses include being soft, and mentally weak. This is just the reality. These are valid criticisms.

In fact we just had a thread about the man crying over a teammate's ejection, and Curry was considered soft well before that.

It is what it is. I'm sorry Curry being critiqued sends you into a dark and unholy place mentally.

[Axe]

I have criticized Luka for his ball dominance. This is not about me picking Luka over Curry. You're trying to spin it that way because you appear to be emotionally overwhelmed by criticism of Steph Curry.

Curry does a lot of great things on the court. He has an excellent handle that can break down the defense, he moves off ball, and he's the best shooter ever.

That doesnt mean "nobody else can ever compare to him."

His weaknesses include being soft, and mentally weak. This is just the reality. These are valid criticisms.

In fact we just had a thread about the man crying over a teammate's ejection, and Curry was considered soft well before that.

It is what it is. I'm sorry Curry being critiqued sends you into a dark and unholy place mentally.

This. I don't think luka has reached his peak and prime yet tho.

[warriorfan]

I have criticized Luka for his ball dominance. This is not about me picking Luka over Curry. You're trying to spin it that way because you appear to be emotionally overwhelmed by criticism of Steph Curry.

Curry does a lot of great things on the court. He has an excellent handle that can break down the defense, he moves off ball, and he's the best shooter ever.

That doesnt mean "nobody else can ever compare to him."

His weaknesses include being soft, and mentally weak. This is just the reality. These are valid criticisms.

In fact we just had a thread about the man crying over a teammate's ejection, and Curry was considered soft well before that.

It is what it is. I'm sorry Curry being critiqued sends you into a dark and unholy place mentally.

No these are all weird subjective and unquantifiable criteria. This is the same shit you used to blast pro kobe people for.

You can rock yourself back and forth in the corner telling yourself the same narratives and think it’s true.

Until then show the rest of the real world your proof or you can keep deflecting and talking in circles in an attempt to tire everyone out

[FultzNationRISE]

This. I don't think luka has reached his peak and prime yet tho.

Yeah he's done some impressive things in the playoffs already. Lighting up Kawhi and PG, dismantling DPOY Toody, and knocking off the top seed Suns to make a western conference finals.

This February he just turned 25.

Come to think of it that was Curry's age when he made his first playoffs.

[warriorfan]

Yeah he's done some impressive things in the playoffs already. Lighting up Kawhi and PG, dismantling DPOY Toody, and knocking off the top seed Suns to make a western conference finals.

This February he just turned 25.

Come to think of it that was Curry's age when he made his first playoffs.

You are quoting axe in order to start straw man arguments that aren’t even relevant to the thread and discussion at hand.


Yikes.


Put the keyboard down homeboy.