The 2011-2014 Heat don't seem stacked anymore

[Manny98]

Prime Joel Anthony wouldn't even make a 12 man roster in today's NBA, neither would Chalmers

[HoopsNY]

Long story short, many believed that heat team from that era could have done better due to the hype they had bt. They didn't feel as cohesive as the dub dynasty that started in 2015 and therefore, some people probably couldn't help but feel that they 'underachieved.'

Yea, I agree with this.

[tpols]

Prime Joel Anthony wouldn't even make a 12 man roster in today's NBA, neither would Chalmers

Chalmers definitely would've. He was a decent role player. Way more talented than like Derek Fisher or something.



Joel would be a bench scrub but when you sign 2 MVP talents and an All NBA talent all on max deals there's not gonna be much money left over.

They still ended up getting Birdman, Battier, and Ray who all played absolutely amazing for them in the playoffs.

This thread is one of the worst revisionist histories of all time.

[1987_Lakers]

Not a single one of whom averaged 20 points. You have some kind of emotional damage where it hurts your feelings that the Heat get called stacked. Too bad, they were.



Ray Allen hit one of the two biggest shots of Lebron James's career. And was still a double-digit scorer of the bench. You would know trolling though.
Which still leaves us at 2 and a possible. Was there a point here?

Not a single of them averaged 20 ppg, but you went ahead and mentioned a 37 year old Ray Allen who averaged like 11 PPG.

He was obviously a key contributor, but the way you went and said Miami had 4 hall of famers like Ray Allen was in his prime is pretty shameless.

And no, it leaves us at 3.

[John8204]

One of the many reasons I crap on Shaq as an all-timer is you look at his Miami team and you look at Bron's Miami and it's embarrassing to see how much talent was on that roster.

Shaq won a single tainted ring with three vet MVP level guys (Payton, and Mourning) along with a young core of Walker, Williams, Wade, and Haslem.

Everyone acts like Bosh was an all-time great...he was good and valuable but he doesn't make an All-Star team if he's playing in the West.

If I sat down and really went into every season Lebron's Miami team...might be a top 30 team of all-time

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not a single of them averaged 20 ppg, but you went ahead and mentioned a 37 year old Ray Allen who averaged like 11 PPG.

He was obviously a key contributor, but the way you went and said Miami had 4 hall of famers like Ray Allen was in his prime is pretty shameless.

And no, it leaves us at 3.

Did you look up that 1989 Piston team? When I say none of them averaged 20 I am talking about the whole team. Of course you didn't know that, you likely weren't even alive in 1989. You just desperately sought out some kind of argument. Sorry but you don't have one.

Jrue Holiday has made the allstar game twice and has one ring. I hope he soon has two but currently Bballreference says his career is similar career to Nick Van Exel and Lou Williams. That's not a HoF lock.

[tpols]

Did you look up that 1989 Piston team? When I say none of them averaged 20 I am talking about the whole team. Of course you didn't know that, you likely weren't even alive in 1989. You just desperately sought out some kind of argument. Sorry but you don't have one.

Jrue Holiday has made the allstar game twice and has one ring. I hope he soon has two but currently Bballreference says his career is similar career to Nick Van Exel and Lou Williams. That's not a HoF lock.

And that's where perception deviates from reality. Jrue has a way higher impact on the game because he's 100x the defender lou will or nick van exel were. Jrue has outplayed Tatum in the Finals so far.

You're acting a straight fool downplaying his impact. But that's not surprising.

[1987_Lakers]

Did you look up that 1989 Piston team? When I say none of them averaged 20 I am talking about the whole team. Of course you didn't know that, you likely weren't even alive in 1989. You just desperately sought out some kind of argument. Sorry but you don't have one.

Jrue Holiday has made the allstar game twice and has one ring. I hope he soon has two but currently Bballreference says his career is similar career to Nick Van Exel and Lou Williams. That's not a HoF lock.

Yea, no shit. Did you not read my post when I specifically mentioned they were not "top heavy", but depth was off the charts.

Isiah & Aguirre could have easily averaged 20 if they played on a bad team. Mark Aguirre was literally averaging 22 PPG on the Mavs in 1989 before he got traded to Detroit mid-season.

I'm a historian to this game, watched a shit ton of 80's games, look at my username.

[1987_Lakers]

RMWG now putting Holiday on the same tier as Nick Van Exel & Lou Williams.

Disgraceful.

[StrongLurk]

One of my other main points in the OP is that Lebron being so good is really what made the Heat seem so stacked.

They had top heavy talent in 2011 and 2012, but also had series weaknesses (These modern Celtics have none on off/def AND they have the advantage of being fully analytics driven which is a better format/style of play than what teams did 15 years ago).

2013 Heat were the most complete version, 2014 was for sure on their last legs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yea, no shit. Did you not read my post when I specifically mentioned they were not "top heavy", but depth was off the charts.

Isiah & Aguirre could have easily averaged 20 if they played on a bad team. Mark Aguirre was literally averaging 22 PPG on the Mavs in 1989 before he got traded to Detroit mid-season.

I'm a historian to this game, watched a shit ton of 80's games, look at my username.

If you really knew NBA history you wouldn't be calling a team without a single 20ppg scorer stacked. Moving on.

[gengiskhan]

HEAT was a SUPER team.
CAVS was a SUPER team.
BROOKLYN was a SUPER team.

Magics LAL were STACKED team.
Birds CELTICS were STACKED team.

SUPER teams have COLLUDED and atleast 3 "FRANCHISE" players (LeBron, Bosh, Wade; Lebron, Kyrie, Love)

Magics LAL = Magic + Worthy only; old Kareem NOT franchise anymore. a contender cannot be built around Old Kareem)
Bird's Celtics = Bird + McHale; Chief was not talented enough to be a franchise and contender cannot be built around him)

[1987_Lakers]

If you really knew NBA history you wouldn't be calling a team without a single 20ppg scorer stacked. Moving on.

So I'm guessing some of those 60's Celtics teams that had like 7 hall of famers, but no 20 PPG players like their '63 & '64 teams were not stacked.

Moving on.

[HoopsNY]

If you really knew NBA history you wouldn't be calling a team without a single 20ppg scorer stacked. Moving on.

Respectfully, I must disagree. Those Pistons teams were absolutely stacked. Because they didn't have a 20 PPG scorer wasn't indicative of their offense, especially when in '88 and '89, they were 6th and 7th in ORTG.

As 1987 mentioned, guys like Aguirre could score, but obviously his role and the style of play changed given that he wasn't on Dallas anymore.

Having said that, I do agree with you that Miami was stacked. To look at just Wade/Bosh/LeBron as being the only "stacked" players would be incorrect, especially when 1987 is minimizing Ray Allen's role (let alone Battier, Chalmers, or Birdman).

[Real Men Wear Green]

And that's where perception deviates from reality. Jrue has a way higher impact on the game because he's 100x the defender lou will or nick van exel were. Jrue has outplayed Tatum in the Finals so far.

You're acting a straight fool downplaying his impact. But that's not surprising.

I am quoting his basketball reference score, and the players that site said his score was similar to. 2-time All-Star is not a lock for the Hall. Are you ever going to write something intelligent? You just don't seem to be an adult man.