Did the Heatles underachieve?

[dankok8]

Rondo was healthy enough to play all 5 games, everyone is banged up in the playoffs.


You can't be serious about Shaq

Weak af trolling

CELTICS SHAQ he said

Rondo was arguably their best player and was seriously limited by injury from the midway point of that series. How you pretend this injury isn't relevant is beyond me.

And Shaq was obviously washed up but he still started 36/37 games he played that season so his absence can be mentioned.

[RRR3]

Rondo was arguably their best player and was seriously limited by injury from the midway point of that series. How you pretend this injury isn't relevant is beyond me.

And Shaq was obviously washed up but he still started 36/37 games he played that season so his absence can be mentioned.

Rondo was a great defender but never particularly good on offense, not sure how he could possible be their best player off the strength of point guard defense alone. Most overrated player of all time arguably.

[dankok8]

Rondo was a great defender but never particularly good on offense, not sure how he could possible be their best player off the strength of point guard defense alone. Most overrated player of all time arguably.

He was their floor general.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rondo was a great defender but never particularly good on offense, not sure how he could possible be their best player off the strength of point guard defense alone. Most overrated player of all time arguably.

Peak Rondo was an allstar assist machine. Having only made just 4 Allstar games you could only call him the most overrated player of all time if you have no idea what you're talking about.

[RRR3]

He was their floor general.

I like PGs who can score well. Rondo was Elfrid Payton with better defense and passing. If all you can do is pass you’re not a great offensive player.

[RRR3]

Peak Rondo was an allstar assist machine. Having only made just 4 Allstar games you could only call him the most overrated player of all time if you have no idea what you're talking about.

He hunted assists, often to the detriment of his team. Kblaze made a post about it. Find me impact stats that say he moved the needle significantly on offense, they don’t exist.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He hunted assists, often to the detriment of his team. Kblaze made a post about it. Find me impact stats that say he moved the needle significantly on offense, they don’t exist.

If a player is focused on scoring to the point he sometimes doesn't make the best play does that mean he isn't a good player? "Kblaze made a topic" does not prove he was the most overrated player of all time. That was a ridiculous statement. When he took over a big role in the Celtic offense he didn't make it a bad offense. It wasn't great but with a bunch of aged stars it was the way to go and the results led to the top of the Atlantic Division.

[RRR3]

If a player is focused on scoring to the point he sometimes doesn't make the best play does that mean he isn't a good player? "Kblaze made a topic" does not prove he was the most overrated player of all time. That was a ridiculous statement. When he took over a big role in the Celtic offense he didn't make it a bad offense. It wasn't great but with a bunch of aged stars it was the way to go and the results led to the top of the Atlantic Division.

Their offensive rating was 18th in 2011, and 27th in 2012. Who's a more overrated player then? People used to compare Rondo to CP3 which was absurd.

[dankok8]

Of course Rondo is not as good as CP3 offensively. That's doesn't make him overrated though.

Ben Taylor referred to "Rondo assists" which are assists without leverage. Because he's not a great scoring threat, he doesn't put pressure on the defense and draw defenders so he's making mostly basic passes that don't always lead to open shots. Better scorers get their teammates more open shots. That's all fine and dandy. The logic checks out.

However, those Celtics teams did improve offensively in the playoffs which coincided with Rondo becoming more aggressive as a scorer.

Celtics 2010-2012: -1.5 rORtg in the RS --> +0.1 rORtg in the PS
Rondo 2010-2012: 12.2/10.8 in the RS --> 16.0/10.3 in the PS

I would say that in the RS, Garnett was by far their most important player but in the PS, it's much closer and Rondo looks like a star in terms of impact. Not CP3 level but like top 15-20 player.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Their offensive rating was 18th in 2011, and 27th in 2012. Who's a more overrated player then? People used to compare Rondo to CP3 which was absurd.

There have been like, 10s of thousands of NBA players. Rondo is not the most overrated player in history just because the team didn't impress you in some random stat. Not when there are horror stories of things like Ben Simmons scoring a single point in a playoff game. No, one of the best defensive guards who was among the league leaders if not the league leader in assists is nowhere near that discussion if the person talking about it is at all serious. In the playoffs Rondo has had a number of memorable performances. Was the third-best player in the postseason for a Laker Championship. You don't have to like him but it was a silly statement.

[RRR3]

Of course Rondo is not as good as CP3 offensively. That's doesn't make him overrated though.

Ben Taylor referred to "Rondo assists" which are assists without leverage. Because he's not a great scoring threat, he doesn't put pressure on the defense and draw defenders so he's making mostly basic passes that don't always lead to open shots. Better scorers get their teammates more open shots. That's all fine and dandy. The logic checks out.

However, those Celtics teams did improve offensively in the playoffs which coincided with Rondo becoming more aggressive as a scorer.

Celtics 2010-2012: -1.5 rORtg in the RS --> +0.1 rORtg in the PS
Rondo 2010-2012: 12.2/10.8 in the RS --> 16.0/10.3 in the PS

I would say that in the RS, Garnett was by far their most important player but in the PS, it's much closer and Rondo looks like a star in terms of impact. Not CP3 level but like top 15-20 player.

Rondo's efficiency in those playoffs was absolutely atrocious, you should know better than to use such a small sample size and attribute it to someone scoring ~15 PPG on ~50% TS.

[RRR3]

There have been like, 10s of thousands of NBA players. Rondo is not the most overrated player in history just because the team didn't impress you in some random stat. Not when there are horror stories of things like Ben Simmons scoring a single point in a playoff game. No, one of the best defensive guards who was among the league leaders if not the league leader in assists is nowhere near that discussion if the person talking about it is at all serious. In the playoffs Rondo has had a number of memorable performances. Was the third-best player in the postseason for a Laker Championship. You don't have to like him but it was a silly statement.

It's not a random stat, it measures offensive efficiency for a team. How is Ben Simmons overrated if being one of the league leaders in assist and one of the best defensive guards precludes you from being overrated? That's inconsistent.

[dankok8]

Rondo's efficiency in those playoffs was absolutely atrocious, you should know better than to use such a small sample size and attribute it to someone scoring ~15 PPG on ~50% TS.

Three consecutive playoffs (52 games) isn't a small sample. His efficiency was rough but he spearheaded their offense. If he had 60 %TS he would be CP3 level but 50 %TS doesn't mean he's horrible.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not a random stat, it measures offensive efficiency for a team. How is Ben Simmons overrated if being one of the league leaders in assist and one of the best defensive guards precludes you from being overrated? That's inconsistent.

What part of "one point playoff game" do you not understand? Rondo generally performed well in the playoffs whereas Simmons has been a definite failure. Rondo's team not impressing offensively while still posting winning records when his best teammates were all declining doesn't make him the most overrated player ever. The hyperbole can't be justified.

[RRR3]

Three consecutive playoffs (52 games) isn't a small sample. His efficiency was rough but he spearheaded their offense. If he had 60 %TS he would be CP3 level but 50 %TS doesn't mean he's horrible.

50 TS% on middling volume does mean he's horrible at scoring though, I never said he was horrible overall.

Why are you using three different playoff runs and attributing it all to Rondo taking more shots when he didn't even do that remotely efficiently? That's illogical. A more likely explanation is having guys like Pierce, Ray Allen and KG is useful against tough playoff defenses and they may have coasted in the regular season due to their age.

Seriously, Rondo's playoff scoring was really bad in that time frame.

2010: 15.8 PTS in 40.6 MPG on 50.4 TS%
2011: 14.0 PTS in 38.3 MPG on 50.9 TS%
2012: 17.3 PTS on 42.6 MPG on 50.5 TS%