Why I think the Kobe-Pau Lakers would be just as good today

[ILLsmak]

Your "analysis" is the only thing deeply flawed. Embarrassing.

Boston's top 2 are surely weaker than a lot of championship teams but 3-8 they are stronger than most of them in the last 30 years.

yea read all my bad takes lol. It's a constant problem. Having a weak 1-2 and strong 3-8 is not the recipe for a dynasty. What teams are coming to mind? The b2b pistons, maybe?

Edit: thought experiment, Bos is locked into a tight game coming down the stretch vs an all time great team, what do they run to get scores? Try to get Porzingis to post vs a 6'6 guy on the pick and roll?

Luka, SGA, Jokic, Giannis...

Every contending team has a dominant duo in today's league.

Kobe/Pau stuck out in late 00s, but wouldn't in 2024.

Those guys are not duos? And only two of them are guards like Kobe. Like I said it has to be guard w/ complementary big, and if you take a 'better big' and a 'worse guard,' it doesn't work because the game is much different. So Jokic and Giannis are really good, but they are not on the wing. Kobe is universally regarded as the best 1 on 1 player in history, and that's even to people who hate him (I don't hate him, but I dislike his play style,) he would shit on everyone. The only way they could do anything is to hope that LAL just kept bricking. Which, as i said, could be an issue, but I think in a series, it would be fine.

-Smak

[tontoz]

There aren't many teams that qualify as a dynasty. Other than the warriors there are the Lakers and the Spurs since the bulls broke up.

Boston was first in offensive efficiency and 3rd in defense. They have 2 way players throughout their rotation. The strength of their roster is the reason they were able to win without a MVP caliber player.

Dallas rolled minny and looked like a real threat to win the Finals. Boston just punked them.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Since 2020 Tatum has the most playoff points and is second in assists and rebounds. Jaylen Brown followed the biggest defensive play of the postseason with the biggest shot of the postseason in Game 1 vs Indiana to save the Celtics. There is basically nothing the Celtics could have done to change minds if they win 64 games in the regular season, go 16-3 in the postseason, and we still have people talking about "thought experiment." The rest of the NBA fails to test them and you act like that means they failed the test when in reality they were just a level above everyone else. Being the best team is not a fatal flaw.

Before the finals we had a thread on here talking about how Doncic could be the greatest clutch playoff performer ever or some such dumb shit...I didn't agree but he was definitely playing some great basketball. Had Dallas won people would be talking about what a great do Irving and Doncic were. But when the Celtics shut them down with JB routinely wearing Doncic out in the fourth you just talk about what a weak do Tatum and Brown are. Whatever. The lesson is about to be repeated.

[1987_Lakers]

then maybe refrain from speaking on shit you don’t know about????


Tbh I was always huge on Odom and Pau but Bynum never did it for me. To me he seemed like the guy who people thought he could tap into this potential but he never did. He had spurts of it but was never consistent, he wasn’t a big player in playoffs or finals. He literally was out of the league very prematurely it seemed after his Lakers stint. I always found the hype of Bynum puzzling. A combo of Laker homers being very optimistic and Kobe haters trying to prop up his cast to tear him down. I never saw Bynum as being anything from my point of view. It is what it is.

He did have one season where he legit looked like the best offensive center in the league in 2012. He had a very nice touch around the rim, although I could tell the fit between Bynum & Gasol was kinda weird that year. Gasol/Odom pair was better. Bynum was a super talented dude, but just didn't care too much about basketball and was often injured.

[tpols]

then maybe refrain from speaking on shit you don’t know about????


Tbh I was always huge on Odom and Pau but Bynum never did it for me. To me he seemed like the guy who people thought he could tap into this potential but he never did. He had spurts of it but was never consistent, he wasn’t a big player in playoffs or finals. He literally was out of the league very prematurely it seemed after his Lakers stint. I always found the hype of Bynum puzzling. A combo of Laker homers being very optimistic and Kobe haters trying to prop up his cast to tear him down. I never saw Bynum as being anything from my point of view. It is what it is.

Bynum had crazy soft touch for how huge he was. He was a true giant with finesse on the low block.

I still remember I joined ISH during the 2010 NBA Finals and everybody was saying Boston would lose Game 7 because Perkins had been declared out, which meant LA could bully the paint. Kobe and Pau shot a combined 12/42, and they still won because they dominated the boards. Kobe had 15 rebounds and Pau had 18. That's nuts.

The funniest thing to me though is people thinking Jayson ****ing Tatum would solve that paint domination. It wasn't even just Pau, Bynum, and Odom. Kobe was pulling boards down at a crazy level and Artest was beating the shit out of guys while boxing out since he kind of moves naturally like a bull in a China shop.

In games where they weren't on fire from 3, Boston would be getting their cheeks clapped. And we've seen Tatum brick a million 3s in the Finals so that's going to be tough to cover.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bynum had crazy soft touch for how huge he was. He was a true giant with finesse on the low block.

I still remember I joined ISH during the 2010 NBA Finals and everybody was saying Boston would lose Game 7 because Perkins had been declared out, which meant LA could bully the paint. Kobe and Pau shot a combined 12/42, and they still won because they dominated the boards. Kobe had 15 rebounds and Pau had 18. That's nuts.

The funniest thing to me though is people thinking Jayson ****ing Tatum would solve that paint domination. It wasn't even just Pau, Bynum, and Odom. Kobe was pulling boards down at a crazy level and Artest was beating the shit out of guys while boxing out since he kind of moves naturally like a bull in a China shop.

In games where they weren't on fire from 3, Boston would be getting their cheeks clapped. And we've seen Tatum brick a million 3s in the Finals so that's going to be tough to cover.

Tatum is second in playoff rebounds since 2020. He averaged over 8 in the regular season and 9.7 in the playoffs. He has been playing power forward for the last two years. You ignore these facts because you;re an idiot.

[warriorfan]

RMWG shrieking wildly because people brought up Tatum would be undersized going against Pau

What a weird guy

[ILLsmak]

There aren't many teams that qualify as a dynasty. Other than the warriors there are the Lakers and the Spurs since the bulls broke up.

Boston was first in offensive efficiency and 3rd in defense. They have 2 way players throughout their rotation. The strength of their roster is the reason they were able to win without a MVP caliber player.

Dallas rolled minny and looked like a real threat to win the Finals. Boston just punked them.

He threw the league for a loop with how he did things, but LeBron was a dynasty. ThatÂ’s why the gap looks so big; he kept moving and building the same team as best in league. Talk about ecf appearances. Kobe LAL went b2b and lost to Cs, a Cs team that was actually all time and capable of winning more than one. I am saying I donÂ’t think Bos wins another without changes. They do have insane talent and thatÂ’s why I call them flawed. Their talent is way more than their ability as a team.

ItÂ’s likeÂ… Bos has 3 (shuda maybe had 4) team usa guysÂ… but two were role players. They are outstanding on defense, but if they have one weakness, it would be inside.

They should win again because like I said nba is transitioning. Young stars are growing up. I moved from Cs to Minny last years. I don’t have a team, but I wanted Cs to win cuz they were close and seemed like they had a lot of the types of players I support, however, I’ve seen em shit too many times. Same movie. Their path was weird last year. Glad they got one. I’m fully done supporting them now until they show me some reason they deserve it. They could win again, and I understand it’s not hard to take the field, but my ‘they won’t’ is different. It’s a minority opinion, but I am not as high on them as experts and analytics… and I’ve seen them play in playoffs a lot.

I already did, but I donÂ’t wanna make this about that. My point was simply thatÂ’s not the team you use to disprove Kobe lakers. Yeah they are elite with wing D, but thatÂ’s why s tier talent like kobe is so important, you canÂ’t really **** w them.

Edit: ****in took forever to thumb this post then it logged me out n ****ed the apostrophes.

-Smak

[tpols]

Tatum is second in playoff rebounds since 2020. He averaged over 8 in the regular season and 9.7 in the playoffs. He has been playing power forward for the last two years. You ignore these facts because you;re an idiot.

No... let's be clear here.

You are demonstrating a paltry basketball IQ by claiming Tatum could bang with a front court of Pau / Odom / Bynum / Artest. Nobody cares what he averages in a small ball era facing tiny 6'8 PFs and C's.

You are demonstrating a basic lack of understanding for the most fundamental principle we have here on earth. Physics and how mass works. Im trying to think of a way to explain it. How big things can move little things. Does that work?

This is frankly quite appalling since you've had to experience how this stuff operates in every other aspect of life.

I'm somewhat amazed.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No... let's be clear here.

You are demonstrating a paltry basketball IQ by claiming Tatum could bang with a front court of Pau / Odom / Bynum / Artest. Nobody cares what he averages in a small ball era facing tiny 6'8 PFs and C's.

You are demonstrating a basic lack of understanding for the most fundamental principle we have here on earth. Physics and how mass works. Im trying to think of a way to explain it. How big things can move little things. Does that work?

This is frankly quite appalling since you've had to experience how this stuff operates in every other aspect of life.

I'm somewhat amazed.

You demonstrate paltry IQ every time you type. Last time you were talking about how the Mavs would "clap tjose cheeks" and what happened? You were completelyt wrong. And why was your analysis wrong? Because your an idiot, so you can shut the **** up with your dumb ass opinions.

[RRR3]

Any problems Tatum has guarding one of the Lakers bigs is more than mitigated by him destroying them on the other end. Seriously imagine Pau or Bynum trying guard Tatum

[tpols]

Any problems Tatum has guarding one of the Lakers bigs is more than mitigated by him destroying them on the other end. Seriously imagine Pau or Bynum trying guard Tatum

That's the correct argument to use. You admitted you never watched the NBA until 2011. And in the 2011 playoffs Chris Paul put on a clinic on how to manipulate the PnR with Pau and Bynum guarding him in mismatches to get open iso jumpers and nail them. But they weren't all 3s.

Tatum and Brown against a Luka and Kyrie defensive backcourt this year shot 23% and 26% from 3pt range in the 2024 NBA Finals.

They were ass from long distance. Which makes the argument that 3pt shooting is the end all be all in this debate that more hilarious.

[AlternativeAcc.]

yea read all my bad takes lol. It's a constant problem. Having a weak 1-2 and strong 3-8 is not the recipe for a dynasty. What teams are coming to mind? The b2b pistons, maybe?

Edit: thought experiment, Bos is locked into a tight game coming down the stretch vs an all time great team, what do they run to get scores? Try to get Porzingis to post vs a 6'6 guy on the pick and roll?



Those guys are not duos? And only two of them are guards like Kobe. Like I said it has to be guard w/ complementary big, and if you take a 'better big' and a 'worse guard,' it doesn't work because the game is much different. So Jokic and Giannis are really good, but they are not on the wing. Kobe is universally regarded as the best 1 on 1 player in history, and that's even to people who hate him (I don't hate him, but I dislike his play style,) he would shit on everyone. The only way they could do anything is to hope that LAL just kept bricking. Which, as i said, could be an issue, but I think in a series, it would be fine.

-Smak

Giannis has Lillard, Luka had Kyrie, Jokic has Murray

The point is that in 09, the Kobe/Pau tandem was by far the best in the NBA.

Lebron had Mo Williams.. Wade had Haslem... Dwight had Nelson.

Lakers had by far the best tandem and the best role players in the late 00s. They were stacked for their time but wouldn't be in today's game. They'd be just another competitive team.

[ShawkFactory]

That's the correct argument to use. You admitted you never watched the NBA until 2011. And in the 2011 playoffs Chris Paul put on a clinic on how to manipulate the PnR with Pau and Bynum guarding him in mismatches to get open iso jumpers and nail them. But they weren't all 3s.

Tatum and Brown against a Luka and Kyrie defensive backcourt this year shot 23% and 26% from 3pt range in the 2024 NBA Finals.

They were ass from long distance. Which makes the argument that 3pt shooting is the end all be all in this debate that more hilarious.

Now how are you gonna talk about peoples IQ in a discussion and then boil things down to Tatum and Brown vs Luka and Kyrie? You know that's not how the shit went down.

The Celtics are masterful at exploiting mismatches on offense and switching on D and not being exploited there. They'd lose the rebounding battle most likely though.

[tpols]

Now how are you gonna talk about peoples IQ in a discussion and then boil things down to Tatum and Brown vs Luka and Kyrie? You know that's not how the shit went down.

The Celtics are masterful at exploiting mismatches on offense and switching on D and not being exploited there. They'd lose the rebounding battle most likely though.

Who did Tatum and Brown shoot 26% and 23% from 3pt range against then?

Spell it out.