Michael Jordan vs Jokic (age 25-29)

[Carbine]

He's clearly the best player in the league though. Luka has the same holes in his game. Giannis has been hurt way too much to give the nod over Jokic, same with Embiid.

[StrongLurk]

That's just not true, and is a product of recency bias. In crunch time, Murray's been the go-to guy to bail the team out in close playoff games. Jokic is most definitely top three in the NBA currently, but he has holes in his game that you guys overlook.

It's not recency bias and Jokic is one of the most clutch players of all time. You are dumb.

[Axe]

It's not recency bias and Jokic is one of the most clutch players of all time. You are dumb.

[Full Court]

It's not recency bias and Jokic is one of the most clutch players of all time. You are dumb.

Not true again. You making up "facts" out of your rear end does not win you an argument. Murray is the go-to guy in the clutch in the post-season, not Jokic. Your bias is clearly shown right under your user name.

Keep in mind, in head to head play, Jokic has been outplayed by Anthony Davis on multiple occasions.

[Full Court]

He's clearly the best player in the league though. Luka has the same holes in his game. Giannis has been hurt way too much to give the nod over Jokic, same with Embiid.

Luka actually has a lot more holes. Jokic's defense isn't bad - it's just nothing special. But he does force the other team to fight tooth and nail for rebounds. Luka's defense is trash. Also, Luka has a bad habit of missing a huge percentage of free throws when they matter most. That's a big hole in his offense that Jokic doesn't have.

[Hey Yo]

Luka actually has a lot more holes. Jokic's defense isn't bad - it's just nothing special. But he does force the other team to fight tooth and nail for rebounds. Luka's defense is trash. Also, Luka has a bad habit of missing a huge percentage of free throws when they matter most. That's a big hole in his offense that Jokic doesn't have.

What's the actual percentage?

[Full Court]

What's the actual percentage?

No clue. And I'm not going to take the time to figure it out. But I've seen plenty of his play, and I remember seeing playoff games where the Mavs literally lost becuase of Luka's 4th quarter free throw shooting.

That said, he didn't do poorly this past season, so maybe he's finally plugged that hole. We'll see.


But for context, his post season free throw % in '21 was an abysmal 53%. In the regular season it was 73%. His free throw % has gone down significantly in the post season almost every year he's played - although in this past season it was only a 2% drop. So like I said, maybe he's finally plugged that hole.

[Carbine]

"I'm going to say things, but don't quote me on it because I haven't and will not research it"

Do better. Makes you look lazy and unrefined, trolling basically.

Luka is a young player still, what he did in '21 doesn't mean much to the NOW. '23 holds almost all the weight when talking about who he is as a player this moment in time. For example, we aren't saying he's a below average 3 pt shooter..... He took a gigantic amount of threes last year and improved his percentage to a solid number considering the volume.

[Full Court]

"I'm going to say things, but don't quote me on it because I haven't and will not research it"

Do better. Makes you look lazy and unrefined, trolling basically.

Luka is a young player still, what he did in '21 doesn't mean much to the NOW. '23 holds almost all the weight when talking about who he is as a player this moment in time. For example, we aren't saying he's a below average 3 pt shooter..... He took a gigantic amount of threes last year and improved his percentage to a solid number considering the volume.

I posted the data to back up my argument. Did you read the post? And you really can't even argue with it. His free throw % dropped significantly in the post season EVERY SINGLE YEAR except this past season. This past season was the statistical anomaly, and we'll see if he's overcome whatever mental block he had and this is the start of a new trend.

Do you dispute the numbers I posted?

[Axe]

"I'm going to say things, but don't quote me on it because I haven't and will not research it"

Do better. Makes you look lazy and unrefined, trolling basically.

[Full Court]

[Chick Stern]

More desperation. Yawwwwwwwn. Jordan was better at winning.*

* during the weakest NBA era

[Axe]

* during the weakest NBA era

[ReturnofJPR]

No human being will ever exceed his Airness.

[Full Court]

^Consensus dumbest poster in ISH history strikes again.