Supreme Court rules that Trump can continue his deportation plans

[Jasper]

Latino Patsy chewboy gone... lets see if e can get Trumpster to get rid of Jstern,,,\gay boy

[BurningHammer]

[warriorfan]

So that is where highwhey went.

[diamenz]

so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation

[TeflonDonTrump]

so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation

the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6

Jump to essay-3Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) (There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).
Jump to essay-4Plyler, 457 U.S. at 210 (citing Mezei, 345 U.S. at 212; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U.S. 228, 238 (1896); Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)).
Jump to essay-5Mathews, 426 U.S. at 77; see also Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001) (explaining that the Due Process Clause applies to all ‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens, whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent).
Jump to essay-6See Kwong Hai Chew, 344 U.S. at 596–97 (explaining that a lawful permanent resident may not be deprived of his life, liberty or property without due process of law, and thus cannot be deported without notice of the nature of the charge and a hearing at least before an executive or administrative tribunal).

[Hey Yo]

Regardless what happens to that wife beating illegal, I just hope the dumb Dems keep sticking their neck out for him. Definitely shows who their priorities are yet they still wonder why they lost the election.

[diamenz]

Regardless what happens to that wife beating illegal, I just hope the dumb Dems keep sticking their neck out for him. Definitely shows who their priorities are yet they still wonder why they lost the election.

this isn't about advocating for the guy or whether he's an angel or an absolute monster - it's the precedent that's being set by waving his right to due process. principled magas are calling this out but apparently the conservative hive mind hasn't quite caught on to this particular part of the issue. again, this isn't an immigration issue or advocation for him - it's about completely bypassing due process and the rule of law. you realize how important those things are, i hope. another way for you to look at it is that this isn't necessarily about his rights it's about our rights.

do you wanna call out the obvious photoshop job or do you not have it in you to do so?

[Baller234]

this isn't about advocating for the guy or whether he's an angel or an absolute monster - it's the precedent that's being set by waving his right to due process. principled magas are calling this out but apparently the conservative hive mind hasn't quite caught on to this particular part of the case. again, this isn't an immigration issue or advocation for him - it's about completely bypassing due process and the rule of law. you realize how important those things are i hope.
another way for you to look at it is that this isn't necessarily about his rights it's about our rights.

do you wanna call out the obvious photoshop job or do you not have it in you to do so?

Well I would consider myself a principled MAGA and I really don't see the harm in deporting them. If you sneak into Disneyland by hopping over the gate, they're going to remove you from the park. You don't have the same rights as paying customers.

Like what would even be the point of sending them through the courts, so we could prove what we already know? If someone is in custody and they're a legal citizen all they would have to do is provide proof. If they can't do that or refuse to do that, there's a 99.9% chance it's because they're here illegally. Just ship them the fukk out and be done with it. Save the taxpayers some money.

I don't know about you but I don't feel like I am in any danger of losing my rights as a citizen because of this. That sounds like total hysteria to me.

[diamenz]

Well I would consider myself a principled MAGA and I really don't see the harm in deporting them. If you sneak into Disneyland by hopping over the gate, they're going to remove you from the park. You don't have the same rights as paying customers.

Like what would even be the point of sending them through the courts, so we could prove what we already know? If someone is in custody and they're a legal citizen all they would have to do is provide proof. If they can't do that or refuse to do that, there's a 99.9% chance it's because they're here illegally. Just ship them the fukk out and be done with it. Save the taxpayers some money.

I don't know about you but I don't feel like I am in any danger of losing my rights as a citizen because of this. That sounds like total hysteria to me.

are you a principled conservative? i like to think you're one of the better ones here but sometimes i start to wonder.

fine by me. ship the jan 6er's over there too - they're all guilty as assumed. matter of fact, come to think of it i don't like that cat that looked at me funny earlier today either. i could certainly do without 90% of the fools here at insidehoops - what do ya say? ship em all over there.

what's trump scared of not wanting the courts to handle it? rationalize it any way you want but at least call out the photoshopped pic. do me that much so i can sleep a bit better knowing you're at least that unbiased.

but some rule of law. some constitution. god *uck it all.

[Baller234]

are you a principled conservative? i like to think you're one of the better ones here but sometimes i start to wonder.

fine by me. ship the jan 6er's over there too - they're all guilty as assumed. matter of fact, come to think of it i don't like that cat that looked at me funny earlier today either. i could certainly do without 90% of the fools here at insidehoops - what do ya say? ship em all over there.

what's trump scared of not wanting the courts to handle it? rationalize it any way you want but at least call out the photoshopped pic. do me that much so i can sleep a bit better knowing you're at least that unbiased.

but some rule of law. some constitution. god *uck it all.

What kind of false equivalency is this? No you can't just deport anyone you want because if you're a legal citizen you have a right to be here. Illegal trespassers don't have that same right. Unless Trump starts deporting legal citizens, you don't have an argument.

Also, are you serious? The tattoo is real. The after-effects in photoshop were added to help communicate the meaning. He's not actually insinuating the man has "MS13" tatted on his knuckles. It's the symbols he's referring to.

[MrFonzworth]

This is fascism

[diamenz]

What kind of false equivalency is this? No you can't just deport anyone you want because if you're a legal citizen you have a right to be here. Illegal trespassers don't have that same right. Unless Trump starts deporting legal citizens, you don't have an argument.

Also, are you serious? The tattoo is real. The after-effects in photoshop were added to help communicate the meaning. He's not actually insinuating the man has "MS13" tatted on his knuckles. It's the symbols he's referring to.

no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly our) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.

[TheMan]

no no no no no - that's not the point i'm trying to make here. i understand the fact that he's not a us citizen. when i responded to your post i was under the assumption that the facts of this case were already established.

...garcia did indeed come into this country illegally, however - his legal status at the time and leading up to his deportation by the trump administration was not classified as illegal. according to court filings he had a legally legitimate asylum claim and therefore had protective status to remain in the country. the trump administration, using the executive power of the alien whatever act (can't recall it's proper title), bypassed these court orders to not only deport garcia but in effect shipped him off to a third world prison where, and i'm hoping you can agree with me here, has very little chance at being given his day in court for crimes that he may indeed have or may not have committed.

so do you understand the point that i'm making here, the precedent that it sets and the implications that it has the potential of bringing. a trump admin official even acknowledged the fact that this was indeed a mistake and was subsequently fired. that outta tell you something or at the very least raise some questions in the back of your mind.

now the reason this case is important and the reason the trump administration is fighting it tooth & nail is because once you open the door to bringing people back from el salvador it ruins their strategy to be able to send people there without due process. due process, or rather the rule of law, by the way, which is the cornerstone of western civilization. without it, where do we stand? so again to reitterate, while he wasn't a us citizen, he had legal status under court order which was subsequently overriden by the president to not only deport him but strip him of his right to his day and court and be held to account for any supposed crimes. this outta concern you.

so let the courts decide what crimes this guy is guilty of. i don't give a shit about him otherwise. but you can't override his (and most importantly our) rights and ship him out on a plane to a third world prison indefinitely.

and in regard to the tatts - on upon closer inspection of the symbols the correlation to the letters ms13 do make sense now so i was wrong in that regard. my bad.

La Mara Salvatrucha does not use encoded tattoos, they never have, they blast out exactly who they are, even on their neck and face. Abrego Garcia was never MS13. The informer who claimed Abrego Garcia was a gang member claimed Abrego Garcia was in the NY clique of MS13 but there's no evidence he ever even lived in NY and no evidence he was in a gang when he lived in El Salvador so...

[ZenMaster]

so what's the verdict on this abrego garcia guy? folks are talking about how he's entitled to due process regardless of whether he's ms13 or not. fine, i don't see a problem with that - let the courts decide. constitutionalists stand the *uck up. why was he shipped off to el savador without it? people are also saying that trump's photo of the gang tattoos on garcia's hands were photoshopped into the image. what's up?

Trump Posts Photoshopped Image of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s Knuckle Tattoos With Disputed ‘MS-13’ Interpretation

It's a dual reality story that can be argued one way or the other, depending on which facts you focus on and which ones you don't.

Wish there was more background on his life and how he was allowed to stay even though he was illegal, instead of all these gaping holes in what the MSM writes about him. E.g in the official arrest report interview, it's stated specifically that he doesn't have any fears about going back to El Salvador, but now this fear is the reason why he should still be in the US.

So many holes it it all, but in the end what they're arguing about is if whether or not he should be deported to El Salvador or another country, because he is an illegal immigrant in the US. I think dems are using this case to try and make the argument that all illegals needs new hearings before they can be deported, because they know that way Trump will never be able to deport any kind of meaningful number of illegals in the next 4 years.

And the whole thing about the MS13 letters not actually being a tattoo on his fingers but instead photoshopped is pure lol retardedness.

[RRR3]

It's a dual reality story that can be argued one way or the other, depending on which facts you focus on and which ones you don't.

Wish there was more background on his life and how he was allowed to stay even though he was illegal, instead of all these gaping holes in what the MSM writes about him. E.g in the official arrest report interview, it's stated specifically that he doesn't have any fears about going back to El Salvador, but now this fear is the reason why he should still be in the US.

So many holes it it all, but in the end what they're arguing about is if whether or not he should be deported to El Salvador or another country, because he is an illegal immigrant in the US. I think dems are using this case to try and make the argument that all illegals needs new hearings before they can be deported, because they know that way Trump will never be able to deport any kind of meaningful number of illegals in the next 4 years.

And the whole thing about the MS13 letters not actually being a tattoo on his fingers but instead photoshopped is pure lol retardedness.

That's a lot of words to try and deflect from the fact that your hero doesn't respect due process. No one has rights besides Dump and his goons eh? That's what you want? That'll end well