Supreme Court rules that Trump can continue his deportation plans

[ZenMaster]

Dude already told you what due process was why are you asking me questions about stuff diamenz already detailed.

He said let the courts decide, well the courts already decided he was MS13, but that he could get to stay in the US temporarily because he feared persecution of another gang back in El Salvador who tried to forcefully recruit him when he was a kid. This was in 2019.
As per El Salvador, the gang Garcia feared no longer exists, so he was deported back to his home country because that's where he illegally immigrated from and it's the policy of the current administration to deport illegal immigrants, with gang member illegal immigrants being fast tracked.

I'd agree that Trump should get him back if he was an American who was deported by mistake, but he's not a "Maryland man", he's from El Salvador.

“Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent’s clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a ‘past, proven, and reliable source of information’ verified the Respondent’s gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion,” Immigration Judge Elizabeth Kessler wrote in 2019. Her decision was upheld by another judge in an appeals hearing.

Abrego Garcia then filed for asylum and withholding of removal, a temporary form of legal protection, so that he would not be deported to El Salvador.

Withholding of removal also does not offer permanent protection or a path to permanent residence. If conditions improve in a personÂ’s home country, the government can revoke withholding of removal and again seek the personÂ’s deportation. This can occur even years after a person is granted protection.

[warriorfan]

I'm tired of this coddling of fascist's feelings. The El Salvador camp is a Concentration Camp.

1) does it have inhumane and inadequate facilities? yes

2) Forced labor and/OR awaiting mass execution? yes. Look into their "Zero Idleness" program and tell me what that means.

It's a concentration camp whether you want to cry about it or not. Objectively, it's not a debate. Feelings over facts, guys.

So you are saying….

Trump….is….Hitler?

Wow, so insightful.

[Baller234]

this includes willingly and thoroughly calling out trump on this bullshit in regard to policy when it's warranted i assume?



lol. that's no way to go about digesting a subject from multiple sources across the political spectrum, analyzing the angles and coming to your own conclusion as to what the truth really is or most likely to be and you're wise enough to know that.



ah so that's the way you see me and my thoughts on this subject. i'm just another mindless npc scoffing up red cnn meat because i'm calling out trump and now you. i see it team. true colors.



that's not the point. you've entirely missed the point.

i digress. the reason i bring all of this up is because ever since trump entered office i've witnessed people here (and everywhere) on the right go from questioning, calling out and diminishing the biden administration (with good reason - don't get me wrong) to turning into varying degrees of good little willingly-gullible npc's that obey and nod their heads to every move he makes and every word he says. either that or twist themselves into pretzels to defend him. unwilling to call shit out as if they'll be smiten. i'm honestly starting to think they're not even aware they're doing this. either way it's *ucking insufferable. yeah, yeah, yeah i know - miss me with " well the other side does the same thing"... i'm well aware if that. we saw it for the last four years. but y'all claim to be the adults in the room. "when you grow up you become conservative" you all say. well start *ucking acting like it. i'm done.

You claim that people are "twisting themselves into a pretzel" defending Trump but there is nothing to defend him from. He's doing exactly what he campaigned on. If anyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel, it's the ones arguing that we need to respect the civil rights of a violent terrorist. Not just a violent terrorist mind you, but a citizen from another country.

Do I think you're an NPC? I dunno, you ran with that photoshop theory pretty hard even though all it took was a modicum of common sense and maybe 30 seconds of research to see that it was fake propaganda. The fact that you thought it was possible to begin with might also suggest you have an irrational opinion when it comes to Donald Trump or see him as something he isn't.

I appreciate that you are trying to be unbiased and hold both sides accountable, but people voted for Trump precisely because they wanted him to take a wrecking ball to the whole thing and get it done hook or crook. He is not subverting the law, he is enforcing the law.

The only thing Trump would need to be "defended" from is baseless slander.

[ZenMaster]

He said let the courts decide, well the courts already decided he was MS13, but that he could get to stay in the US temporarily because he feared persecution of another gang back in El Salvador who tried to forcefully recruit him when he was a kid. This was in 2019.
As per El Salvador, the gang Garcia feared no longer exists, so he was deported back to his home country because that's where he illegally immigrated from and it's the policy of the current administration to deport illegal immigrants, with gang member illegal immigrants being fast tracked.

I'd agree that Trump should get him back if he was an American who was deported by mistake, but he's not a "Maryland man", he's from El Salvador.

So diamenz or retardretardretard3, what does due process look like to you for this illegal immigrant, what process is missing that he has a right to?

[Baller234]

So diamenz or retardretardretard3, what does due process look like to you for this illegal immigrant, what process is missing that he has a right to?

I don't know about diamenz but I'm willing to bet that 3tard probably thinks he should just able to live in America as long as he wants. I don't think he even believes in borders or understands the concept of citizenship.

Actually 3tard made it quite clear on numerous occasions that he deeply despises our country, so if you're ever in need of a guiding principle just assume that the complete opposite of what 3tard wants is always what's best for America.

[warriorfan]

I don't know about diamenz but I'm willing to bet that 3tard probably thinks he should just able to live in America as long as he wants. I don't think he even believes in borders or understands the concept of citizenship.

Actually 3tard made it quite clear on numerous occasions that he deeply despises our country, so if you're ever in need of a guiding principle just assume that the complete opposite of what 3tard wants is always what's best for America.

3tard half wants a life in luxury he doesn’t want to work for, half of him is so self resentful he would reject it even if it was given to him.

He’s just an impossible person to work any sort of realistic solution out with. It’s a large reason why he is a loser who has nothing going for him.

[diamenz]

He said let the courts decide, well the courts already decided he was MS13, but that he could get to stay in the US temporarily because he feared persecution of another gang back in El Salvador who tried to forcefully recruit him when he was a kid. This was in 2019.
As per El Salvador, the gang Garcia feared no longer exists, so he was deported back to his home country because that's where he illegally immigrated from and it's the policy of the current administration to deport illegal immigrants, with gang member illegal immigrants being fast tracked.

I'd agree that Trump should get him back if he was an American who was deported by mistake, but he's not a "Maryland man", he's from El Salvador.

the court's claim that garcia is an ms13 gang member is apparently controversial from what i've read but even i acknowledge i'm convinced that he indeed is one. either that or he's one of those wanna-be idiots that associate themselves or 'hang around' actual members which is even dumber than being an actual banger.

but just to be clear about what you're saying here so there's nothing lost in communication... you acknowledge that garcia was granted temporary legal status to stay here temporarily, however you believe that the trump administration has the right and holds sufficient ground to bypass/override that ruling through executive order on the - what i would call, 'hearsay' that the el salvadorian government claims that the gang "no longer exists" (whatever that means - has been exterminated, is currently inactive or even possibly something as silly as renamed?) and therefore the courts deemed not necessary. am i correct in this assessment?

[diamenz]

You claim that people are "twisting themselves into a pretzel" defending Trump but there is nothing to defend him from. He's doing exactly what he campaigned on. If anyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel, it's the ones arguing that we need to respect the civil rights of a violent terrorist. Not just a violent terrorist mind you, but a citizen from another country.

a "violent terrorist" according to whom? what crimes has garcia committed? this is just another generalized, blanket term thrown out by wh press secretary caroline leavitt with no evidence to back up it. a press secretary whom, and i hope you can agree with me here is a paid liar in the same way that black lesbo under biden was. they're all liars.

in regard to folks defending trump outright, it's not just what they say out of their automatic defense mechanisms and unwillingness to entertain criticism and account, but much what they don't say. who on the right is creating a thread calling out trump on the ukraine war. a war that could be ended with a phone call and an absolute cut to ukraine aid. a war that biden may have started but trump refuses to end. it's trump's war now.

how about calling out trump's fealty to israel, which could be argued to be worse than zionist joe's as trump has pledged to buy gaza with our $, commit an ethnic cleansing of it's population with our troops (at deadly risk against hamas i might add) and "clean up gaza" (clear mines, put our men at risk of unstable infrastucture) with our money and young men. why are we cleaning up a mess that Israel made? how about calling out the censorship and attack on free speech and the authoritarian crackdown on dissent only when it comes to israel? how is any of this america first? and don't give me that "not america-only" bullshit. we literally serve israel.

how about the increase of tax through tariffs when trump's primary reason for being put in office was to bring down inflation? so a higher tax and a higher cost of goods is right around the corner. a "little bit of pain" is quite the understatement. every trumper on this forum supports these tariffs because they know they have to - it's going to make or break the trump presidency. it's hive mind shit. trump puts the tariffs on: he's bring back manufacturing! he proceeds to take them off: art of the deal! give me a break. no one knows what's really going on or where this going. they're just speculating and hoping this is what they want it to be.

billionaire/corporate tax cuts. how about a tax cut focused solely on the middle class. wealth redistribution is always occuring - it's only a question of which way it's going. during and since covid, lol... do i even have to explain? take one look at the wealth gap and tell me who we should give tax cuts to?

...so where are the call-outs from the right?

Do I think you're an NPC? I dunno, you ran with that photoshop theory pretty hard even though all it took was a modicum of common sense and maybe 30 seconds of research to see that it was fake propaganda. The fact that you thought it was possible to begin with might also suggest you have an irrational opinion when it comes to Donald Trump or see him as something he isn't.

i made a mistake, acknowledged it and even apologized for it. that's far more than what anyone else would have done. i try my best to stay on top of things but the handful of times during the day i get to indulge in politics, it's either taking my morning shit, eating breakfast or listening on my way to work and even those few instances of downtime aren't consistent (aside from the morning shit).

The fact that you thought it was possible to begin with might also suggest you have an irrational opinion when it comes to Donald Trump or see him as something he isn't.

don't be ridiculous for added effect. if you want to throw me jnto that group than you really need to be more observant.

I appreciate that you are trying to be unbiased and hold both sides accountable, but people voted for Trump precisely because they wanted him to take a wrecking ball to the whole thing and get it done hook or crook. He is not subverting the law, he is enforcing the law.

i get that but when you do things hastily and/or aggressively you get the job done but things get sloppy and mistakes are made, as is the case with anything.

[ZenMaster]

the court's claim that garcia is an ms13 gang member is apparently controversial from what i've read but even i acknowledge i'm convinced that he indeed is one. either that or he's one of those wanna-be idiots that associate themselves or 'hang around' actual members which is even dumber than being an actual banger.

but just to be clear about what you're saying here so there's nothing lost in communication... you acknowledge that garcia was granted temporary legal status to stay here temporarily, however you believe that the trump administration has the right and holds sufficient ground to bypass/override that ruling through executive order on the - what i would call, 'hearsay' that the el salvadorian government claims that the gang "no longer exists" (whatever that means - has been exterminated, is currently inactive or even possibly something as silly as renamed?) and therefore the courts deemed not necessary. am i correct in this assessment?

You're correct. Given how these things work, who else could or should the US govt ask about gang activity in El Salvador other than the El Salvadorian govt?

Then me personally, I don't think he should've been given a withholding order because he feared for a local gang when he was a kid in El Salvador. Asylum when being persecuted politically by your own country is one thing, but local crime lords being nasty is a whole other game and if the US was to take in all kids around the world who's being pressured to join a local gang in their home country, all immigrants can come in this way by simply telling this story.
The withholding order is even more bizarre in this case, as other judges had already determined through police reports and informants that he was MS13. Allowing a confirmed gang member to stay in the country because another gang tried to pressure him into join their crew 7 years earlier in his home country, it's the kind of logic you use if you want to flood the country with immigrants.

The whole thing is bizarre and Miller explained it all pretty clearly to a bunch of reporters more than a week ago, try and listen from 5:50-11:15.

[86Celtics]

Arresting judges now:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi...on-2025-04-25/

[RRR3]

You're correct. Given how these things work, who else could or should the US govt ask about gang activity in El Salvador other than the El Salvadorian govt?

Then me personally, I don't think he should've been given a withholding order because he feared for a local gang when he was a kid in El Salvador. Asylum when being persecuted politically by your own country is one thing, but local crime lords being nasty is a whole other game and if the US was to take in all kids around the world who's being pressured to join a local gang in their home country, all immigrants can come in this way by simply telling this story.
The withholding order is even more bizarre in this case, as other judges had already determined through police reports and informants that he was MS13. Allowing a confirmed gang member to stay in the country because another gang tried to pressure him into join their crew 7 years earlier in his home country, it's the kind of logic you use if you want to flood the country with immigrants.

The whole thing is bizarre and Miller explained it all pretty clearly to a bunch of reporters more than a week ago, try and listen from 5:50-11:15.

Ah yes white supremacist Stephen Miller, definitely a good source.

[ZenMaster]

Ah yes white supremacist Stephen Miller, definitely a good source.

Yes, to explain the immigration policy of the current administration, there's probably no better source than Stephen Miller.

[diamenz]

You're correct. Given how these things work, who else could or should the US govt ask about gang activity in El Salvador other than the El Salvadorian govt?

Then me personally, I don't think he should've been given a withholding order because he feared for a local gang when he was a kid in El Salvador. Asylum when being persecuted politically by your own country is one thing, but local crime lords being nasty is a whole other game and if the US was to take in all kids around the world who's being pressured to join a local gang in their home country, all immigrants can come in this way by simply telling this story.
The withholding order is even more bizarre in this case, as other judges had already determined through police reports and informants that he was MS13. Allowing a confirmed gang member to stay in the country because another gang tried to pressure him into join their crew 7 years earlier in his home country, it's the kind of logic you use if you want to flood the country with immigrants.

The whole thing is bizarre and Miller explained it all pretty clearly to a bunch of reporters more than a week ago, try and listen from 5:50-11:15.

we'll just leave it at that then.

[diamenz]

Ah yes white supremacist Stephen Miller, definitely a good source.

you don't invite constructive discussion pouting off grade-school shit like this and it certainly doesn't help any argument you're making or in most cases on your behalf, not making. you're the reason conservatives are forced to stand up and defend themselves over dumb shit.

as a matter of fact, you never engage in discussion around here over the issues, ever.

[RRR3]

you don't invite constructive discussion pouting off grade-school shit like this and it certainly doesn't help any argument you're making or in most cases on your behalf, not making. you're the reason conservatives are forced to stand up and defend themselves over dumb shit.

as a matter of fact, you never engage in discussion around here over the issues, ever.

The guy who loves to hurl ethnic slurs sobbing about immaturity


Whenever I engage in the issues, you guys reveal yourself to be sociopaths, so it's pointless. There is no point in a serious debate with people who lack basic empathy. Bill Gates tries and fails constantly, although his politics are pretty shit as well so which is definitely part of it.