Two Israeli embassy staffers killed by a Pro-Palestian

[ShawkFactory]

Lol, more like your proposals are impossible mannnn.

As with most lefties, whether it's healthcare or something else, you argue there's some huge problem that needs fixing but you can never provide a viable alternative solution. It's always some delusional pipe dream that can't work and isn't practical.

There is no perfect system when it comes to health insurance but capitalism and the free market is the best option we have. If you want to reduce pricing and improve services, then introduce more companies into the sphere and let competition take it's natural course. Obviously I'm okay with government regulation if it's in the interest of the consumer, but I definitely don't want the government in charge of my healthcare in totality.

Ahhhh you said mannn one too many times. You know that you're incredibly cringey, right? Get a new gif too for christsakes

But fine, I'll address your critique even though I know it's a waste of time because you've never once shown that you are able or willing to grasp anything that I say. Got about 15 minutes before my wife and I meet some friends at the pool so..fvck it.

How the hell is an insurance company supposed to put away reserves for future payouts if they aren't allowed to operate on profit?

Two things wrong here:

1) Maybe you forgot about premiums? No one is saying healthcare should be free. Or at least thinks that it can be. Like tax brackets, premiums based on income. You can claim that that's not fair and I'll listen (it's what adults do when figuring out solutions).
2) I didn't say they aren't allowed to operate on profit. I said because that those running these companies aren't paid based on profits, that they aren't incentivized to operate this way. Once again, you're twisting things and seeing only what you want to see.

That's not to say anyone off the streets could start one of these companies. You'd obviously have to be qualified, and salary could be based on the number insured with you. So with that you aren't incentivized to operate solely for profit, but you are incentivized to operate well to attract more customers.

You're over here complaining that they don't pay out enough claims but at the same time you want to cut them at the knees financially?

Addressed. They're not being cut at the knees financially, but having to adhere to a strict set of rules regarding payout.

I mean how are these companies supposed to reinvest into the businesses? How can they ever improve or innovate if the government is regulating every penny they earn?

Addressed with my previous. Profit for personal wealth not mattering means that this would go toward reinvestments, improvement, innovation, etc. to make things more user-friendly and efficient.

Also, if the insurance companies are run by government officials

Didn't say that. A franchise owner in any business has the freedom to operate as they please as long as a certain set of rules are followed.

What, you think the government is just gonna let them give away all the money?

That's why I said they aren't allowed to operate if they don't break even...

Hell, lets call it 1.5% above.

I really don't think you thought this through.

No, I didn't. In fact I told you that I came up with it on the spot and already stated that coming up the best solutions for complex problems takes a village. And compromise (not your thing, I know). Is this the perfect solution? Of course not. But enough people addressing the issue can start enough conversations to where a happy medium can be found.

[Patrick Chewing]

First of all, like I already said the goal of Israel has been stated to just completely wipe Gaza off the map regardless of Hamas. How is that defending the country? How is starving an entire population including children defending the country?

This is ignoring that the conflict was started by Israel before you were even born, and that Netanyahu himself funded Hamas to make sure left wing groups in Palestine didn't gain prominence.

If Israel wanted Gaza wiped off the map, they would have done so already.

And so no one forgets, it is the Palestinians that have shouted that they want Israel wiped off the map. Not the other way around.

[Patrick Chewing]

Aren't you the guy that continuesly threatened to shoot up libs with his guns?

And isn't it Liberals who time and time again ACTUALLY go out and kill people they don't agree with?

The mentally fragile Left. They accuse the Right of being Nazis, but yet they go around hunting and killing Jews.

[Overdrive]

You're aware that the big pharma companies and the insurance companies are separate entities right?

So according to you, the ONLY way to rein in big pharma is to hand over control of our entire healthcare system to the government?

All-Retard 1st Team selection confirmed.

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.

[RRR3]

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.

When he doesn’t have a counter he resorts to trolling.

[MrFonzworth]

And isn't it Liberals who time and time again ACTUALLY go out and kill people they don't agree with?

The mentally fragile Left. They accuse the Right of being Nazis, but yet they go around hunting and killing Jews.

The Left stands on business whereas you only posture online anonymously.

In reality you're a 400lb lard ass that would get bullied by a purple hair trans woman

[Baller234]

@Shawkfactory

I could respond to every ridiculous thing you said but I’ll save us both the time and address this following argument you made because it cuts right to the heart of the issue.

I didn't say they aren't allowed to operate on profit. I said because that those running these companies aren't paid based on profits, that they aren't incentivized to operate this way. Once again, you're twisting things and seeing only what you want to see.

This right here is proof you view the world through the lens of some fantasy utopia.

Nobody runs a company unless they intend to profit. In order for a company to be self sustaining, it needs to be profitable. The same thing applies to the person managing the company. If you run a business but your business manager is losing you money, would you keep that person on staff???

The moment you remove a profit incentive or a cost cutting incentive, the business ceases to operate. What you are referring to is not business, it is charity. You want healthcare to be one giant charity. Not only that, you don't want there to be any requirements or standards. Millions of illegals pour in? They get healthcare. Crackhead mom wants to have 6 more kids? They get healthcare. Obese doordash addicts? They get healthcare.

How is this model sustainable???

[Baller234]

It's seriously impossible to have a discussion with you. Any more words into your direction are absolute futile as you are either incapable of understanding what is said to you or you purposefully draw conclusions to warp the argument. I knew you wouldn't even be able to grasp the Topic A and B thing.

No you're just a moron trying to equate two different things that have no connection to one another.

It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of big pharma AND your idea for magical commie healthcare. The two don't go hand and hand at all.

If you understood why, you wouldn't have been selected to 1st team.

[Overdrive]

No you're just a moron trying to equate two different things that have no connection to one another.

It's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical of big pharma AND your idea for magical commie healthcare. The two don't go hand and hand at all.

If you understood why, you wouldn't have been selected to 1st team.

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.

[ShawkFactory]

@Shawkfactory

I could respond to every ridiculous thing you said but I’ll save us both the time and address this following argument you made because it cuts right to the heart of the issue.




This right here is proof you view the world through the lens of some fantasy utopia.

Nobody runs a company unless they intend to profit. In order for a company to be self sustaining, it needs to be profitable. The same thing applies to the person managing the company. If you run a business but your business manager is losing you money, would you keep that person on staff???

The moment you remove a profit incentive or a cost cutting incentive, the business ceases to operate. What you are referring to is not business, it is charity. You want healthcare to be one giant charity. Not only that, you don't want there to be any requirements or standards. Millions of illegals pour in? They get healthcare. Crackhead mom wants to have 6 more kids? They get healthcare. Obese doordash addicts? They get healthcare.

How is this model sustainable???

Yep…that’s about what I expected.

[Baller234]

Yep…that’s about what I expected.

What a coward and a joke you are. What, too much pride to admit that maybe you were wrong and your ideas aren't practical?

So you're telling us that if you owned a business, and the person you hired to manage the company was losing you money, you would keep that person on staff?

Please tell us the answer is yes so we can all see how smart you are.

[ShawkFactory]

What a coward and a joke you are. What, too much pride to admit that maybe you were wrong and your ideas aren't practical?

So you're telling us that if you owned a business, and the person you hired to manage the company was losing you money, you would keep that person on staff?

Please tell us the answer is yes so we can all see how smart you are.

Holy shit. I needed that one

No, you’re just too dogmatic in your views that your are simply not grasping what I’m saying. Excusing myself from commenting further is then practical, not cowardly.

Pointless to discuss solutions with someone who doesn’t believe there’s a problem.

It’s your world and we just live in it. Apparently.

[Baller234]

Holy shit. I needed that one

No, you’re just too dogmatic in your views that your are simply not grasping what I’m saying. Excusing myself from commenting further is then practical, not cowardly.

Pointless to discuss solutions with someone who doesn’t believe there’s a problem.

It’s your world and we just live in it. Apparently.

What do you mean I'm not grasping what you're saying?

You said in an ideal situation the person who manages the health insurance company shouldn't be incentivized by profit chasing or cost cutting. Did you not?

Okay, please tell me how that works.

[ShawkFactory]

What do you mean I'm not grasping what you're saying?

You said in an ideal situation the person who manages the health insurance company shouldn't be incentivized by profit chasing or cost cutting. Did you not?

Okay, please tell me how that works.

Bro…I already did explain it. Go back and read.

[RRR3]

So magical it's been working in western Europe for decades. The thing threatening it are neo liberal reaganomics disciples, who - who would've thought - are close to private insurance corps. The US is a corp ruled, plutocratic 3rd world shithole with money, that's why you'll never get any non corporate perspective on things, but keep on draining the swamp.

You thinking it's magical just goes to show how uneducated you are on a larger scale. This was my last post aimed at you itt or in general even. A pigeon is better suited to have a conversation with. So spare me another answer, it's BS anyway.

It's also cheaper than our current system.