israel supporters - i have a bridge to sell you.

[diamenz]

Well it seems to me that no matter which side you come down on, you're making a choice as to which lives matter more.

Yes it's sad and unfortunate that innocent people are being caught up in Israel's crossfire, but judging from your reluctance to answer my question, one could argue you're just as unsympathetic when it comes to the lives of the hostages. Do their lives not matter?

Why didn't they just give up the hostages back when this first started?

If you want to shame go ahead, but first I would like for you to answer that question.

i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you. netanyahu doesn't give a shit about those people. they're nothing but pawns in the game.

americans are blinded and propagandized because they pay zero attention to what goes on beyond their borders. people need to wake up and realize that our involvement in the ME is not in our interests.

[Baller234]

i condemn all of it - that's easy. i condemn hamas for everything they do and the israeli government for everything they do. they're both terrorist organizations that want each other wiped off the map. that much is clear. if you can't see that for what it is, like i said - have a bridge to sell you.

it's not our business and it's not america first. this is between two terrorist governments that have nothing to do with our interests here at home.

as for the hostages? i condemn all innocent life lost on either side. that's so *ucking easy to do. but if you think the israeli government prioritizes getting those hostages back over the ethnic cleansing operation they're undertaking (this couldn't be any more obvious), then i have a bridge to sell you.

Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.

[diamenz]

Okay so if both sides are pieces of shit that and are in the middle of a war, which we all acknowledge is ugly and brings out the worst in everyone, what's the sense in pointing fingers?

One side is going to win and one side is going to lose, so how come you're getting so upset about it? Especially if you're telling us you don't have a rooting interest.

what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?

[Baller234]

what's in america's interest?

who's funding it? who's going to war with iran if netanyahu grabs us by the tail and tells us to do so? is that in america's interests? why are we poised to clean up a mess that israel made?

Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.

[diamenz]

Well if Israel is at war with (insert country or region here), America obviously has a vested interest in Israel coming out on top because they're a close partner of ours.

Is that your main gripe? That America is helping? Because that's an entirely different argument altogether.

yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.

[Baller234]

yeah, that's the issue. the amount of control and $ that the israel lobby has on our government is unprecedented. our interests have been hijacked. stop funding ukraine, stop funding israel. it's simple.

but it's also a moral one where i don't want to see dead jews or dead brown kids.

Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.

[Patrick Chewing]

diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.

[diamenz]

Eh I think you're conflating the issues. If you didn't want to see more dead brown kids, then there should have been stronger calls to release the hostages from the get go. Instead we got river to the sea chants.

In fact the day after Oct 7th happened, long before any retaliatory measures were even taken, you had users on this forum condemning Israel.

"the jordan to the mediterranean" from powerless libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.

[diamenz]

diamenz, what should Israel's response to October 7th have been? I'm just curious to know what your response would have been. And please don't say you don't know.

we've been over this chewing, time and time again.

[Baller234]

"the jordan to the mediterranean" from powerless libtards on the streets of america reciting from hamas' charter. ho hum.

that same line from the talmud of which the netanyahu government are actually carrying out as we speak. this is what i spoke about the power dynamic at play. who's doing the ethnic cleansing and why are we a part of it?

second bolded - you can be assured that wasn't me. on oct 7th and for some time after i used to think israel was our ally, but they've been doing all they can to lose me for the last year and a half.

So what, you think Trump is subservient to Israel?

That makes:

- Russia / Putin
- Israel / Netanyahu
- Elon Musk

All supposedly pulling Trump's puppet strings if you ask certain people.

I'm curious, to what degree is Trump obligated to Israel in your opinion? Is he a business partner? Is he being blackmailed?

Genuinely asking.

[diamenz]

So what, you think Trump is subservient to Israel?

That makes:

- Russia / Putin
- Israel / Netanyahu
- Elon Musk

All supposedly pulling Trump's puppet strings if you ask certain people.

I'm curious, to what degree is Trump obligated to Israel in your opinion? Is he a business partner? Is he being blackmailed?

Genuinely asking.

how much $ has he taken from the adelson family and the greater israel lobby? you think they're just playing nice giving $ to the trump campaign? trump is compromised in this regard - he's openly admitted it. "the israel lobby - a very, very powerful thing". they had a hand in getting him elected. it's simple stuff here.

[Baller234]

how much $ has he taken from the adelson family and the greater israel lobby? you think they're just playing nice giving $ to the trump campaign? trump is compromised in this regard - he's openly admitted it. "the israel lobby - a very, very powerful thing". they had a hand in getting him elected. it's simple stuff here.

So at the present moment you don't think Trump has any autonomy when it comes to Israel?

[diamenz]

So at the present moment you don't think Trump has any autonomy when it comes to Israel?

money talks. he's influenced, is the bottom line. to what extent is the question? how does he feel about it personally, what kind of people does he has in his ear, what type of legacy does he want to leave for himself. all of these things factor into the equation.

as far as what's been applied so far policy wise, he's been much less subservient to israel than joe was and that's a great thing for the country. but will it last? will israel push the boundaries and just go to war with iran knowing the lobby will drag us in? will israel pull another uss liberty false flag incident? i've given trump credit where credit is due but only time will tell. trump has good instincts - he needs to listen to them and get rid of the people telling him to keep these wars going. it's not in our interest.

[Patrick Chewing]

we've been over this chewing, time and time again.

Remind me again. So much crappie gets posted on this site by trolls and by neo-Nazis that i forget the responses from the more decent posters on the board.

[diamenz]

Remind me again. So much crappie gets posted on this site by trolls and by neo-Nazis that i forget the responses from the more decent posters on the board.

i don't know to be honest chewing. my response would have initially been something similar but after emotions settled i definitely wouldn't have taken it this far.