Boston has thrown Porziņģis out of the boat as well.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I dunno, maybe let their proven championship core develop even more reliability without their top guy and then go win another one? (With zero financial consideration obviously)

The problem with that statement is that the rebuild is being driven mainly by financial consideration, somewhat also by the expectation Tatum won't play next year. Before trades the luxury tax penalties are coin ng to cissy ownership a half billion in total for payroll and then without Tatum they are at best a 50 win second round team in a normal year. Owners decided that was too much to pay. If you ignore the money the Porzingis trade would be crazy. You consider that second apron money though and it makes sense it's just not something that as fans we're going to care about.

[Xiao Yao You]

Little flexibility in the 2nd apron. Multiple years in a row paying tax also a penalty sp it makes sense to look towards 2026-27. Id think you keep brown ideally.

[Kblaze8855]

Shams is saying the Jazz are making significant offers for brown.

[sdot_thadon]

The problem with that statement is that the rebuild is being driven mainly by financial consideration, somewhat also by the expectation Tatum won't play next year. Before trades the luxury tax penalties are coin ng to cissy ownership a half billion in total for payroll and then without Tatum they are at best a 50 win second round team in a normal year. Owners decided that was too much to pay. If you ignore the money the Porzingis trade would be crazy. You consider that second apron money though and it makes sense it's just not something that as fans we're going to care about.

Completely understand that, I think what bothers me is they didn't get a player that moves the needle in return. Im not a C's fan but from where im sitting Porzingas was that last piece to get them over the hump. If they were my team I'd hate to see them build a champion then pivot away a year later. We saw Dallas do that and not reach the finals again for a while.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Shams is saying the Jazz are making significant offers for brown.

Believable. Ainge drafted him after all. I think it may be hard for Ainge and Stevens to come to an agreement on such a major asset though. Stevens had already dealt with the second apron issue so he's free to focus exclusively on improving the roster/assets in any deals. He and Ainge both have a history of getting the better end of the deal in big trades, so how do Utah and Boston both win big in a deal?

[RRR3]

Stevens isn't letting the Jazz have Brown unless they give up their pick

[Real Men Wear Green]

Completely understand that, I think what bothers me is they didn't get a player that moves the needle in return. Im not a C's fan but from where im sitting Porzingas was that last piece to get them over the hump. If they were my team I'd hate to see them build a champion then pivot away a year later. We saw Dallas do that and not reach the finals again for a while.

I'm not enjoying these trades I just understand why they're happening. My hope going into this, which is still alive, was that they do enough to get below second apron while keeping a good amount of talent and come back with Tatum and Brown in 2026. KP and Holiday were as good as it gets when it comes to a supporting cast but Holiday is missing games, may be getting old and Porzingis just can't stay on the floor making it tough to become a team that gets used to him scoring and protecting the basket and then he's gone for whole playoff series. They got nothing but cap relief for Porzingis but they even managed to get a good player back when they traded Holiday. All things considered if they keep the rest of the team reasonably intact I won't be mad at the new owner.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shams is saying the Jazz are making significant offers for brown.

Not surprising with 2 ainges and their treasure trove of assets

[tpols]

Shams is saying the Jazz are making significant offers for brown.

The Celtics are about to be the Charlotte Hornets.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Celtics are about to be the Charlotte Hornets.

Like they were before tatum/brown or like theyvwere before kg and allen?

[Xiao Yao You]

With the framework of pick five and a few other expiring contracts, it'd likely put the expiring deals John Collins, Collin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson in the package to match Brown's $53 million salary for the 2025-26 season, and could even include a young player/draft pick compensation along with to sweeten the pot for Boston.

Would mss sexton. Hopefully not hendricks or collier

[90sgoat]

Zingis stock is criminally undervalued. Celtics don't win that ring without him.

I bet he'll show up and make Trae look good. Pick and Pop all day.

[Xiao Yao You]

Better odds that hes on the sidelines like most of his career

[Meticode]

Zingis stock is criminally undervalued. Celtics don't win that ring without him.

I bet he'll show up and make Trae look good. Pick and Pop all day.

We know they don't. They didn't win a ring without him this season. Problem is he's usually not on the court when it matters.

[Meticode]

Zingis stock is criminally undervalued. Celtics don't win that ring without him.

I bet he'll show up and make Trae look good. Pick and Pop all day.

We know they don't. They didn't win a ring without him this season. Problem is he's usually not on the court when it matters.