Douglas Murray dismantles British host and her lies about Israel and Gaza

[diamenz]

by the way, a cuban american christian simping for jews is about as cringe as these pink haired libtards simping for blacks and illegals. to add to that cringe the both of you scream racism at every *ucking turn.

[Patrick Chewing]

i'm not the one making that argument chewing. take that up with dave on his twitter account.

But he's your boy! You were just praising him about how qualified and knowledgeable he is of that region! You betrayed your boy just a few posts later?? Madness!

[Patrick Chewing]

by the way, a cuban american christian simping for jews is about as cringe as these pink haired libtards simping for blacks and illegals. to add to that cringe the both of you scream racism at every *ucking turn.

Why is that cringe? Now you're getting involved in identity politics. You're better than this.

[Baller234]

I'll be honest I didn't watch the entire Murray/Smith debate on Rogan. I only saw various clips that were making the rounds. From the clips I saw no surprise I sided with Murray, especially about the part where Smith hides behind his "comedian" status.

I also agreed with Murray's take on Dave's lack of credentials and why he shouldn't really be in a position to talk. Yes I'm fully aware that we exist in a world where "experts" lie to us in bad faith, but if you're gonna have a debate about something on the largest possible platform in the world, in this case the Rogan podcast, then maybe the person sitting in that seat should be an expert with a lifetime of knowledge and experience.

Doug has had a front row seat to this thing for 25 years. Dave is a comedian who just learned about these things in the last few years and did research. When Doug had boots on the ground Dave was telling jokes. It's like arguing about 90's basketball with a 20 year old. No matter how much research they do they'll never have the first hand knowledge and experience. They can never argue from a real place of authority because they don't have the frame of reference.

Again I'm just going off the small bits that I saw. If there is an example of Dave actually making a valid point and humiliating Murray, or a part where Murray came off looking ignorant or hypocritical, I welcome someone to share it.

[diamenz]

I'll be honest I didn't watch the entire Murray/Smith debate on Rogan. I only saw various clips that were making the rounds. From the clips I saw no surprise I sided with Murray, especially about the part where Smith hides behind his "comedian" status.

I also agreed with Murray's take on Dave's lack of credentials and why he shouldn't really be in a position to talk. Yes I'm fully aware that we exist in a world where "experts" lie to us in bad faith, but if you're gonna have a debate about something on the largest possible platform in the world, in this case the Rogan podcast, then maybe the person sitting in that seat should be an expert with a lifetime of knowledge and experience.

Doug has had a front row seat to this thing for 25 years. Dave is a comedian who just learned about these things in the last few years and did research. When Doug had boots on the ground Dave was telling jokes. It's like arguing about 90's basketball with a 20 year old. No matter how much research they do they'll never have the first hand knowledge and experience. They can never argue from a real place of authority because they don't have the frame of reference.

Again I'm just going off the small bits that I saw. If there is an example of Dave actually making a valid point and humiliating Murray, or a part where Murray came off looking ignorant or hypocritical, I welcome someone to share it.

i don't understand this notion about how someone like smith doesn't reach some made-up qualification threshold to be able to speak on or debate the subject. if that's the case, then why doesn't murray just get straight into it obliterating him intellectually instead of sitting there for three hours attacking his credentials? "you're not an expert". "you've never beeeeeen to the middle east". this is absolutely ridiculous. let the person's knowledge on the subject speak for itself. debate the *ucking topic.

Again I'm just going off the small bits that I saw. If there is an example of Dave actually making a valid point and humiliating Murray, or a part where Murray came off looking ignorant or hypocritical, I welcome someone to share it.

that's the issue in and of itself. it never got that far into the conversation for that to even happen lol.

bullshit aside, i think there are better people that can better represent either side of the argument than these two. jonathan conricus and bennie morris are two from the israeli side that i can appreciate. unfortunately clashes amongst individuals like those two and someone like john mearsheimer, scott ritter, douglas macgregor or any of those other staunch america first guys rarely ever happen because everyone's too busy circle jerking amongst their echo chambers.

here's one that's actually worth your time listening to:

[RRR3]

There is no genocide being committed. That word is used so pervertedly by ignoramuses like you. A genocide? That's what the Jews went through. And a genocide is what will happen if the world turns their back on Israel. The Muslims will come for Israel.

You should care what this Murray guy says because he exposes the ignorance of your position. I would rather be right than be wrong and stand side by side with people who would have me exterminated. You're the worst kind of Jew.

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu for crimes against humanity, take it up with them

Seems like they think he's committing genocide

Also stop telling me about being a Jew, it's so insanely retarded. YOU ARE NOT A JEW. I AM. You can't tell me shit about being a Jew

[Patrick Chewing]

The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu for crimes against humanity, take it up with them

Seems like they think he's committing genocide

Also stop telling me about being a Jew, it's so insanely retarded. YOU ARE NOT A JEW. I AM. You can't tell me shit about being a Jew

The ICC? Who the **** is the ICC?? The International Cricket Committee? You wave the ICC around as if they have any relevancy or legitimate power. Who cares what Europeans think. Europe is being overrun by Muslims as we speak so of course they want to act obedient and go after the Jew instead.

I'm more of a Jew than you by the simple fact that I'm a Zionist as every Jew across the globe should be. You stand side by side with your enemies. You're no Jew.

[highwhey]

op getting destroy in his own thread

[RRR3]

*fatass meltdown*

You're an antisemite, you don't get to tell Jews about Judaism, fats. **** Zionism.

Keep ignoring that your hero Netanyahu is a war criminal with an arrest warrant out for him. But sure he's not committing genocide because you say so, let's just ignore all the evidence and dead babies.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're an antisemite, you don't get to tell Jews about Judaism, fats. **** Zionism.

Keep ignoring that your hero Netanyahu is a war criminal with an arrest warrant out for him. But sure he's not committing genocide because you say so, let's just ignore all the evidence and dead babies.

You're lost, kid. There's no hope for you. Fake ass Jew.

[RRR3]

I'm an antisemite

We know

[Patrick Chewing]

I hate myself. I hate my religion.

We know

[RRR3]

Pat I distinctly remember you making fun of Jews multiple times in the past including calling me "Jew boy" and stuff like that. So spare me with the "I love Jews" bs, you just love Israel for bombing Muslims.

[MrFonzworth]

by the way, a cuban american christian simping for jews is about as cringe as these pink haired libtards simping for blacks and illegals. to add to that cringe the both of you scream racism at every *ucking turn.

[highwhey]

by the way, a cuban american christian simping for jews is about as cringe as these pink haired libtards simping for blacks and illegals. to add to that cringe the both of you scream racism at every *ucking turn.