Kenyon Martin names 50 power forwards better than Draymond Green

[GOBB]

Was Kenyon even a top 10 PF of his era?

Duncan
KG
Dirk
Webber
Pau
Amare
JO
Rasheed
Bosh
Brand
Boozer
David West
Zach Randolph

Probably forgetting a player or 2.
Yall just running with Kenyon because yall don't like Dray lol.

Draymond isnt better than any of them.

[GOBB]

I just saw more clips of that Gilbert Arenas podcast where the Kenyon/Draymond beef started I believe and it might be the worst basketball podcast I've ever seen. Arenas said Jamal Crawford was better than Ginobili and and Kenyon Martin agreed with him. Wtf??

No the beef didn’t start on Gil’s podcast. It started on Marcellus Wiley podcast when Kmart was asked about Draymond antics. Get your facts straight. Draymond didn’t like that Kmart said he’s selective in who he bullies. You just wanted to take a cheap shot at Gil’s arena for whatever reason.

[3ba11]

100% agree of course

Media and fans are just DUMB af - never played - so they're influenced by winning spotlight and inflate guys like Draymond and Pippen.

Meanwhile, actual players know when a guy is carried and a product of the system.. Houston found this out in 99'

[Xiao Yao You]

The Warriors literally turned around when Dray became a full time starter over David Lee.
It also correlated with Steve Kerr replacing Mark Jackson as well. Take that information however you want it.

Kenyon Martin would not be an All-Star in today's NBA as well. He's was getting passed over behind David West and Carlos Boozer and today he would be getting passed over for Sabonis, Vucevic, Kessler, etc.
He would be basically Jarrett Allen in today's NBA.

I have a good feeling Draymond would make All-Star Teams over Anthony Mason (most similar comparison), Memet Okur, Jamaal Magloire.

Allen is an all star.

[GOBB]

Allen is an all star.

As an injury replacement. Let’s tell the whole truth here.

[1987_Lakers]

No the beef didn’t start on Gil’s podcast. It started on Marcellus Wiley podcast when Kmart was asked about Draymond antics. Get your facts straight. Draymond didn’t like that Kmart said he’s selective in who he bullies. You just wanted to take a cheap shot at Gil’s arena for whatever reason.

Regardless of where the beef started, who the hell thinks Crawford was better than Ginobili? I brought up Arenas because he has a podcast with Kenyon and others and I was watching the vid where they were talking down on Draymond, Ginobili and Crawford were randomly brought up while they were discussing Draymond.

Funny enough, Kenyon came off like an emotional lesbian, pretty much bullying Nick Young and at one point calling him "stupid" and taking things too personal.

Kenyon needs to look in the mirror.

[1987_Lakers]

100% agree of course

Media and fans are just DUMB af - never played - so they're influenced by winning spotlight and inflate guys like Draymond and Pippen.

Meanwhile, actual players know when a guy is carried and a product of the system.. Houston found this out in 99'

Putting Pippen and Draymond in the same category is wild. Pippen actually led his team to 55 wins and finished top 3 in MVP voting that same year, without MJ.

[GOBB]

Regardless of where the beef started, who the hell thinks Crawford was better than Ginobili? I brought up Arenas because he has a podcast with Kenyon and others and I was watching the vid where they were talking down on Draymond, Ginobili and Crawford were randomly brought up while they were discussing Draymond.

Funny enough, Kenyon came off like an emotional lesbian, pretty much bullying Nick Young and at one point calling him "stupid" and taking things too personal.

Kenyon needs to look in the mirror.

The Nick and Kmart dynamic is well known. That’s how they interact with one another and Nick doesn’t back down. Nick is immature and annoying. But him and Mccants will get on Kmart ass and not care about the aggressive tone he has. I agreed with Nick when it came to the latest pod where he went at Kmart (after his list) saying he was in Jason Kidd backpack. He didn’t score much either. Actually called Kmart out on him saying he led nets in scoring. That was a lie both reg season and playoffs.

The Manu and Crawford argument is one where I don’t see how you can question their opinion on the manner you did. Disagree? Sure. But this notion ”who the hell thinks that?” and you somehow are privy to some type of knowledge they don’t is crazy fan entitlement. I see nothing wrong with Crawford being better than Manu. When the hell did Manu become better?


And last Kmart gives Draymond his flowers. He has taken shots at Draymond for his antics. And it’s usually based on something Draymond has done and they speak on it. Draymond is a selective bully. Kmart was not. Does any of it matter in the grand scheme of things? Not really. Both were glue guys.

[GOBB]

100% agree of course

Media and fans are just DUMB af - never played - so they're influenced by winning spotlight and inflate guys like Draymond and Pippen.

Meanwhile, actual players know when a guy is carried and a product of the system.. Houston found this out in 99'

Your dislike for Pippen makes you give some awful takes. Pippen does everything Draymond does PLUS score. How are they the same?

[1987_Lakers]

The Manu and Crawford argument is one where I don’t see how you can question their opinion on the manner you did. Disagree? Sure. But this notion ”who the hell thinks that?” and you somehow are privy to some type of knowledge they don’t is crazy fan entitlement. I see nothing wrong with Crawford being better than Manu. When the hell did Manu become better?

You have be kidding me.

Manu was better at every aspect except maybe off the dribble shooting.

- More efficient as a scorer
- Much better playmaker
- Better defender
- Better 3 point shooter

Jamal was a one dimensional player, 1 on 1 scorer. Basically the modern day Vinnie Johnson with better handles.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Nick and Kmart dynamic is well known. That’s how they interact with one another and Nick doesn’t back down. Nick is immature and annoying. But him and Mccants will get on Kmart ass and not care about the aggressive tone he has. I agreed with Nick when it came to the latest pod where he went at Kmart (after his list) saying he was in Jason Kidd backpack. He didn’t score much either. Actually called Kmart out on him saying he led nets in scoring. That was a lie both reg season and playoffs.

The Manu and Crawford argument is one where I don’t see how you can question their opinion on the manner you did. Disagree? Sure. But this notion ”who the hell thinks that?” and you somehow are privy to some type of knowledge they don’t is crazy fan entitlement. I see nothing wrong with Crawford being better than Manu. When the hell did Manu become better?


And last Kmart gives Draymond his flowers. He has taken shots at Draymond for his antics. And it’s usually based on something Draymond has done and they speak on it. Draymond is a selective bully. Kmart was not. Does any of it matter in the grand scheme of things? Not really. Both were glue guys.

As an injury replacement. Let’s tell the whole truth here.

Kenyon made it gow many times?

[Axe]

Your dislike for Pippen makes you give some awful takes. Pippen does everything Draymond does PLUS score. How are they the same?

He's always been like that about him ever since lmao.

[GOBB]

Kenyon made it gow many times?

He’s made one all star. What’s your point?

[1987_Lakers]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie....php?t=2222578

Well, there goes that argument.

Funny enough, OP made that thread because he also heard what Arenas said. I'm guessing Arenas has been saying this for years.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie....php?t=2222578

Well, there goes that argument.

So your take barely wins a poll and you think this is sufficient evidence?