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Old 01-11-2007, 08:45 AM   #16
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Keep this team the way we are right now. We're starting to win. I wanted webber at first but if that's going to take minutes from david lee, screw it.

Jeffries is playing solid while Q Rich is ballinnnnn.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:05 AM   #17
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I think the best deal for us would be if we got Jermain O'Neal somehow. We seriously need a shot blocking presence and if we could get him for Frye, Crawford, and Rose, we would be pretty damm complete.

Frye, Crawford and Rose for JO? he isn't a dominant player to be doing that. O'neal is about 18 and 7 at best and he isn't really that good of a shotblocker.
The team should stay the way they are for right now, unless someone named C-Webb would be convinced to ride the pine for the min and groom our forwards some. But we wants to win now and i can respect that.
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Old 01-11-2007, 01:32 PM   #18
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The only thing C Webb wants to ride is an expensive car and groom his hair.

He is not that kind of player.

With his skills he should be a hall of fame player but is not.

I don't think he took it to the next level as a professional like Barkley, Duncan and Dr. J did.

Same for KG and J O'Neal. They are missing something. Maybe if they were surrounded by better talent it would be different.

That's one reason I like the Knicks the way they are. They have a lot of really good players who are going to get better. You don't need a Jordan to win, you have to stop the superstars on the other team and you will beat them. That's what the Pistons of Isiah's era did.

That's how I see this team, shutting down the other teams superstar and going at them from different directions starting with Curry. That's why it's so important for Curry to learn how and what to do against the double teams.

Once Curry becomes a better all around player you have an unstoppable inside outside game. Frye can hit that jump shot so if Curry kicks it out at least 3 other guys can score from the medium range jump shot and 2 from longer range.

That's a well balanced attack........it all starts in the middle.
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Old 01-11-2007, 04:35 PM   #19
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We need.

* Consistent defense.
* Better 3 point shooters.
* For Curry to improve his passing.
* For Jamal to exhibit better shot selection. The volume shooting has to stop.

Shot blocking would be nice, but we're right now the best rebounding team in the NBA...I wouldn't want to lose that.
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Old 01-11-2007, 05:35 PM   #20
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I like the team the way it is.

We have a rotation and stability.

Yes there are a few things that need to improve but they are.

I don't think this team will ever be a great shot blocking team but if they play the intense high energy defense they need to, blocking shots is not as important.

The weakness on this team right now is help defense and shot blocking. I see a big improvement on the defensive end and they are helping each other and talking much more than ever before.

The next step is to get the bigs into that dominating mentality, that brings the shot blocking. Refusal to let people into your paint.

I personally think that Eddy is beyond saving on blocking shots...he'll peak at 8 rebounds a game throughout a season and i guess ill have to take it cuz he can become a 24 points per game kinda guy.

But FRYE will be a shot blocking presence in some time...itll take time till the refs give him calls cuz these days refs treat the game like a f*&^ing popularity contest...but when Frye will stamp himself in da league he can be 1 block per game kinda guy or more...he is a good help defender(especially when Lee is on da floor).

I believe that Jared Jeffries is our best defender by far as in versatility but our best defensive line up is when he's on da bench. Just remember the D we played during the suspensions and guess what....Lee and Frye were the difference makers...Curry kills the grove on D but Zeke like the rest of NY is on his balls so i gotta deal with it..Cuz if he played D he would be the best Center in da east(BY FAR)
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Old 01-11-2007, 05:56 PM   #21
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I agree, Frye is potentialy a very good shot blocker. It takes a little help from the refs but it's all about timing and that will come.

Curry seems like he has a little fire. His ego is as big as he is and that might be his motivation toward greatness.

I am a musician and ego is what makes a great performer, ego out of control is what destroys you.

I think one way you can judge the talent on your team is who would want to trade for your players. I think any team in the league would want Frye, Lee and now maybe Curry. I know I would if I were building a team.

Curry is not a jumper, he's a slasher like Q. Frye and Lee are more jumpers and that's one reason Lee is such a good rebounder. That's why I say Frye can be a great shot blocker someday. Balkman is also a jumper, Crawford kind of floats in the air. Marbury is kind of like a bulldog.

I like that kind of diversity in their styles and makes for an interesting and flexible team.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:02 PM   #22
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* Consistent defense.
* Better 3 point shooters.
* For Curry to improve his passing.
* For Jamal to exhibit better shot selection. The volume shooting has to stop.

Shot blocking would be nice, but we're right now the best rebounding team in the NBA...I wouldn't want to lose that.

i will adress all the above....
1) Our defense looks bad because of our "unforced" turnovers.
2) Q is lights out from that spot. Most contenders only have 1 true 3 point shooter. Q is ours. Actually Nate Rob can knock them down too, but not like Q.
3) Agree 100%. it's not all his fault though. We got to have better spacing on the floor. He has to pass as soon as the double comes.
4) This issue wasn't a problem when Crawford was our sixth man.

Shot blocking is vastly overrated now a days. Most Shot blockers now don't even know how to position the ball so that their team members can get a handle on it. Great shot blocking involves altering the shot to your teammates or if your adept like Mutumbo or mourning get it to yourself. It either flies out of bounds or in the opponents hand a again for a three point play because everyone is out of position trying to get the ball.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:43 PM   #23
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Frye, Crawford and Rose for JO? he isn't a dominant player to be doing that. O'neal is about 18 and 7 at best and he isn't really that good of a shotblocker.
The team should stay the way they are for right now, unless someone named C-Webb would be convinced to ride the pine for the min and groom our forwards some. But we wants to win now and i can respect that.

So basically O'Neal at his worst is Eddy Curry during his best year : . Anyways, I really don't know what your talking about because Jermaine O'Neal is about the exact opposite what your talking about. He consistently get's 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks for the majority of his career. Did I also mention that he's a top 5 low post defender in the league?

The only knock on him is that he has some health issues and he doesn't play close to the basket. As for the latter, he wouldn't have to score down low because Curry is pretty good at doing that.

Sorry to go on a tangent about O'Neal, but I just think we could use him in the worst way.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:21 PM   #24
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Originally the thread starter was looking for a trade of Frye and others for O'neal. My point is he isn't worth that. He still isn't worth that much. The reason why i wouldn't do this trade is mainly because O'neal has to have the ball at least 12 seconds of the clock each possesion. he is a good player but he would not fit here at all. Our offense would as bad as our alleged defense with him here. we would have four guys standing around waiting to see what O'neal MIGHT do.
Just wondering and I'm not trying to argue here ALB, but have you noticed that O'neals turnovers, assists and fouls are just about all 3 each. He hogs the ball to pad his stats. He is overrated man. Although you have to be basing your suggestion of JO for the last 3 years. His career averages aren't very good. And that's not including his non-playing Portland days as a rook.

P.S. Could use those blocked shots. Hey guess what another 3!!!!
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:03 AM   #25
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I like the team the way it is.

We have a rotation and stability.

Yes there are a few things that need to improve but they are.

I don't think this team will ever be a great shot blocking team but if they play the intense high energy defense they need to, blocking shots is not as important.

The weakness on this team right now is help defense and shot blocking. I see a big improvement on the defensive end and they are helping each other and talking much more than ever before.

The next step is to get the bigs into that dominating mentality, that brings the shot blocking. Refusal to let people into your paint.

Shotblocking and offensive rebounding is our weakness. We need second and third opportunities at the basket. I think our defense will improve, however those areas are what we need to address now.
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:37 AM   #26
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Shotblocking and offensive rebounding is our weakness. We need second and third opportunities at the basket. I think our defense will improve, however those areas are what we need to address now.
We lead the league in rebounding man. We are the best Offensive and total rebounding. we get just below 14 offensive boards a game. And we average 5 more total boards than our opponent. We could use some shotblocking though, but that's severrly overrated these days.
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i will adress all the above....
1) Our defense looks bad because of our "unforced" turnovers.
2) Q is lights out from that spot. Most contenders only have 1 true 3 point shooter. Q is ours. Actually Nate Rob can knock them down too, but not like Q.
3) Agree 100%. it's not all his fault though. We got to have better spacing on the floor. He has to pass as soon as the double comes.
4) This issue wasn't a problem when Crawford was our sixth man.

Shot blocking is vastly overrated now a days. Most Shot blockers now don't even know how to position the ball so that their team members can get a handle on it. Great shot blocking involves altering the shot to your teammates or if your adept like Mutumbo or mourning get it to yourself. It either flies out of bounds or in the opponents hand a again for a three point play because everyone is out of position trying to get the ball.
We're near the bottom of the leage in 3pt % at 32.1%.

Q has been hitting 40% from downtown, so for the team average to be only 32, someone's chucking up shots they shouldn't be. Starbury and Robinson are 33.3% and 33.8% respectively...still higher than the team average. (Francis is 37.9 when he plays).

Who's bringing it down? Crawford. He's only 29.9% and shoots a lot of them (5.5 vs. 4.5 for Q).

As for defense, you're right about our turnovers: we drop the rock 16.1 pg...bottom of the league. But our opposing TO stat is only 13.5, bottom of the league and showing steals as another gap in our defensive capability (someone's already mentioned blocks).

In FG% terms, we give up and shoot about 45.5%, probably thanks to Lee and Curry -- I don't know what our number would be without Crawford jacking up shoots but hitting at only 38.6%.

We also give up 36% from 3pt and 101.9 a game, both in the bottom third of the league. We only score 99.6 points by the way, not a point differential that says Championship Team.

So I still believe what I said:
* Our turnovers have to improve, and I believe Eddy leads the team.
* Our 3pt shooting has to improve; this would be helped if Jamal (who seems like a great, articulate guy) would stop jacking up shots as he's definitely dragging down our average.
* Our defense must be more consistent. (Crawford leads the team in steals.)

If Thomas can tweak these areas and get the team a few notches better in some of these key categories, I think we'd be a team that worried opponents. Right now most probably figure they'll take their chances.
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