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Old 06-24-2012, 04:06 PM   #16
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Default Re: Would You Do the #2 for Joakim Noah?

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What you said is true, but you only make that type of trade for someone that is a complete player, that you can build your franchise around, or someone that can win you 10 extra games by themselves. Not for a younger Tyson Chandler.

I think you're really overvaluing the pick considering the draft.
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Noah would have a great impact on Charlotte's culture though.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:07 PM   #18
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Yeah, I think you'd definitely need another piece. Maybe Noah and two first rounders.

I just like the idea of getting an established starter and high character guy for Charlotte. Here's the thing, if you pick Harrison Barnes and 3 years from now he's Marvin Williams, Noah's going look really good then, right?

Exactly.

Most people (especially on an internet forum) don't view the NBA draft in the proper light. They just assume these high picks are going to be good. Noah only averages 10-12 points a game, so they think he's not as good as a #2 overall pick. It's all black and white with a lot of people.

The Bobcats are tired over building their team through the draft lottery every year. That alone should tell people how risky the NBA draft is. Noah's a proven guy that has been on winning teams for years now, and he's still somewhat young. Charlotte is going to have to start adding veterans to make this thing work.
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The #2 pick is supposed to get you an All-NBA level player. Noah has yet to reach even the All-Star level. Charlotte is trying to take this pick and either draft or trade for a franchise guy. If you add Joakim Noah to what is arguably the worst team in NBA history you still have a lottery team. This trade idea is basically the equivalent of intentionally drafting a bust just so you can avoid taking a risk. Terrible idea for Charlotte.
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Noah would have a great impact on Charlotte's culture though.

See, that's a major part of it for me. I don't see a guy at #2 that's a big game changer. There's no Kevin Durant at 2. Noah's a real piece. He's a legit starter and it locks down a big time position for you going forward. It's kind of how Indy went about rebuilding.
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See, that's a major part of it for me. I don't see a guy at #2 that's a big game changer. There's no Kevin Durant at 2. Noah's a real piece. He's a legit starter and it locks down a big time position for you going forward. It's kind of how Indy went about rebuilding.
Add the fact that most #2 picks have a history of being major busts.
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What you said is true, but you only make that type of trade for someone that is a complete player, that you can build your franchise around, or someone that can win you 10 extra games by themselves. Not for a younger Tyson Chandler.

I disagree completely.

There aren't many superstars (if any) in this draft and NBA types know that. It's a deep draft in terms of solid players. Ty Lawson or Joakim Noah type players. Legit starters, maybe borderline All-Stars. Aren't a whole lot of players available through trade that will net you 10 extra games by themselves. You're overvaluing the pick. You really are. If you're Charlotte, you minimize your risk with this trade. You know what you're getting and you know it makes your team better. Obviously, you also minimize your reward if #2 ends up being a great player, but you still guarantee that you don't get completely burned if that players is a bust (like Adam Morrison).
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The #2 pick is supposed to get you an All-NBA level player.

That's the problem. Does anyone see a player at #2 in this draft that has a high chance of being that?
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I think you're really overvaluing the pick considering the draft.

I actually think there are plenty of talented players in this draft, that could potentially have all star talent. Remember, guys that would normally be in the top 10-20 are late first rd. picks and 2nd rounders. The CBA pretty much forced all the scrub players to declare for last years draft, while the good players waited for this years draft, knowing their gonna get selected one way or the other. I would trade Noah for Beal/Robinson in a heart beat. HEART BEAT!!!!
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Exactly.

Most people (especially on an internet forum) don't view the NBA draft in the proper light. They just assume these high picks are going to be good. Noah only averages 10-12 points a game, so they think he's not as good as a #2 overall pick. It's all black and white with a lot of people.
It's completely true. 8th or 10th pick, sure, that's fine but you don't give up that high of a pick for Noah. You can take that pick and go after a guy like Andrew Bynum, you don't settle for a nonstar with the #2.

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All of this proves that MJ has done a bad job as a GM. IT doesn't show that you can't get a better player than Noah.
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That's the problem. Does anyone see a player at #2 in this draft that has a high chance of being that?
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.
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The #2 pick is supposed to get you an All-NBA level player. Noah has yet to reach even the All-Star level. Charlotte is trying to take this pick and either draft or trade for a franchise guy. If you add Joakim Noah to what is arguably the worst team in NBA history you still have a lottery team. This trade idea is basically the equivalent of intentionally drafting a bust just so you can avoid taking a risk. Terrible idea for Charlotte.

#2 picks since 2000

2000 - Stromile Swift
2001 - Tyson Chandler
2002 - Jay Williams
2003 - Darko Milicic
2004 - Emeka Okafor
2005 - Marvin Williams
2006 - LaMarcus Aldridge
2007 - Kevin Durant
2008 - Michael Beasley
2009 - Hasheem Thabeet
2010 - Evan Turner
2011 - Derrick Williams

Jury is still out on D. Williams and Turner, but otherwise - you got 2 All-NBA players in there over the past 12 drafts (Aldridge and Durant).

Like I said, the draft is not being viewed in the right light here.
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Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

I like him with a good point guard. Not on a team with as many holes as Charlotte. I think if he goes to Charlotte, Kidd-Gilchrist could really disappear.
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I disagree completely.

There aren't many superstars (if any) in this draft and NBA types know that. It's a deep draft in terms of solid players. Ty Lawson or Joakim Noah type players. Legit starters, maybe borderline All-Stars. Aren't a whole lot of players available through trade that will net you 10 extra games by themselves. You're overvaluing the pick. You really are. If you're Charlotte, you minimize your risk with this trade. You know what you're getting and you know it makes your team better. Obviously, you also minimize your reward if #2 ends up being a great player, but you still guarantee that you don't get completely burned if that players is a bust (like Adam Morrison).


Charlotte's not really in a position to win now either way. MJ doesnt have as much money as other owners, and to think he'd spend a good chunk of HIS cap space on Joakim Noah it pretty laughable. You seriously dont think Beal/Robinson can be impact players in the NBA, or potentially Harrison Barnes? Even a guy like Jeremy Lamb. Shoot, Austin Rivers could become a all star for all we know.
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I would trade Noah for Beal/Robinson in a heart beat. HEART BEAT!!!!

I like the deal for the Bulls because the reward is worth risk. If you get a star next to Rose, it's a big time deal. If not, you still have a good front court.
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