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Old 10-05-2012, 03:59 PM   #16
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per?...they have played 5 games, everyone else 4

maybe in this one occasion points shows the reality...yards is more telling



someone needs to make a combo formula like passer rating for defense...mix of yards/points allowed/turn overs/points scored or something

They do, it's called DVOA.
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Carbine, did you know that the "points" stat for defense includes ALL POINTS SCORED FOR ALL GAMES???



the Bears scored 34 points on Dallas...but the Dallas defense only gave up ONE TOUCHDOWN

that is why that stat sucks
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No shit, I was just busting on you about it when I seen the big discrepancy between STL yards and points allowed and the same with ARI when I was skimming Yahoo' stats.

I never count special teams returns or offensive turnovers leading to touchdowns against a defense when evaluating them.

STL is giving up under 15 real points a game on defense. So your suspicion of them being a really legit defense (at least so far) is backed up by the amount of real points they have given up.

Dallas is at 22 per game, but realistically the defense is giving up 17 a game because things like blocked punts and pick 6's for touchdowns have happened. Take those off and they're 6th overall which is indicative of how they have played as a defense.

Using this method along with how many turnovers they are forcing and bingo, you have a great combination of stats to find out who is playing the best defense.
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Carbine, did you know that the "points" stat for defense includes ALL POINTS SCORED FOR ALL GAMES???



the Bears scored 34 points on Dallas...but the Dallas defense only gave up ONE TOUCHDOWN

that is why that stat sucks

They gave up two. The bomb to Heste and the busted coverage to Marshall.
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They gave up two. The bomb to Heste and the busted coverage to Marshall.
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No shit, I was just busting on you about it when I seen the big discrepancy between STL yards and points allowed and the same with ARI when I was skimming Yahoo' stats.

I never count special teams returns or offensive turnovers leading to touchdowns against a defense when evaluating them.

STL is giving up under 15 real points a game on defense. So your suspicion of them being a really legit defense (at least so far) is backed up by the amount of real points they have given up.

Dallas is at 22 per game, but realistically the defense is giving up 17 a game because things like blocked punts and pick 6's for touchdowns have happened. Take those off and they're 6th overall which is indicative of how they have played as a defense.

Using this method along with how many turnovers they are forcing and bingo, you have a great combination of stats to find out who is playing the best defense.
maybe that would be a decent gauge but there are still plenty of times a defense is forced to start out in the red zone which is at least 3 points without them doing anything...

I still think raw yardage is decent and more indicative of most defensive play when compared to points, like the Browns
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