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Old 07-01-2013, 03:24 PM   #16
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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We haven't created a suit that can protect against fire yet?
yeah weird with all our tech simple stuff to save lives hasnt been built, like maybe even a automated robot could do this.

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Old 07-01-2013, 05:06 PM   #17
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yeah weird with all our tech simple stuff to save lives hasnt been built, like maybe even a automated robot could do this.

RIP to those guys true heroes

I don't think there's any such thing as fire "proof" when talking about the spontaneity and ferocity of a wild fire.

People have to imagine the biggest, raging, most out of control building fire they've ever seen. A whole block in flames.

Now imagine that in a matter of minutes, even seconds, the fire has jumped across the street and surrounded you. And we're talking thousands of acres, not a city block. And everything... the trees, leaves, sticks on the ground, brush... are dry as bones and pure tinder.

Those people trained in hot shotting fires have what is among the most dangerous jobs in the world. Just a week ago this same team responded to and played a huge role in controlling the Doce fire, now 96% contained, just about 30 miles north of this one.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:16 PM   #18
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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Prescott Fire Chief Dan Fraijo, his voice breaking at times, said that the 19 firefighters were a part of the city’s fire department. One member of the crew was working in a different location and survived, Fraijo told KPNX-TV. The crew killed in the blaze had worked other wildfires in recent weeks in New Mexico and Arizona.
“By the time they got there, it was moving very quickly,” he said.
He added that the firefighters had to deploy the emergency shelters when “something drastic” occurred.
“One of the last fail safe methods that a firefighter can do under those conditions is literally to dig as much as they can down and cover themselves with a protective – kinda looks like a foil type- fire-resistant material – with the desire, the hope at least, is that the fire will burn over the top of them and they can survive it,” Fraijo said.
“Under certain conditions there’s usually only sometimes a 50 percent chance that they survive,” he said. “It’s an extreme measure that’s taken under the absolute worst conditions.”

damn
cant imagine how nasty and chaotic that fire must have been
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:03 PM   #19
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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Brb having no escape plan


you are a ****ing idiot... even if you have a escape plan it means nothing if you lose orientation or direction, which is the most common thing for firefighters in that type of heat.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:45 PM   #20
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These wildfires are crazy unpredictable. Keep in mind the entire state is dry as a bone, and the entire landscape can ignite in a heartbeat.
I understand that, but I refuse to believe these guys don't go in with dozens of "If this happens, then we _______" discussed and planned for. It would be sheer idiocy and recklessness to not have reactionary measures in mind at all times. I have a hard time believing these guys either a) didn't prepare for all possibilities or b) just said, "f*ck it, if the wind changes direction that way, then we're just dead."

How fast did this all happen?
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:26 PM   #21
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:54 PM   #22
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Very sad. We need robots for this, asap.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:10 PM   #23
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How about we stop using the drones to kill people thousands of miles away and to check up on us while we are ****ing and have them put them out?
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:51 AM   #24
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

I'm not sure these firefighters would be happy if their job is replaced by a drone and a nerdy kid controlling it.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:59 AM   #25
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I understand that, but I refuse to believe these guys don't go in with dozens of "If this happens, then we _______" discussed and planned for. It would be sheer idiocy and recklessness to not have reactionary measures in mind at all times. I have a hard time believing these guys either a) didn't prepare for all possibilities or b) just said, "f*ck it, if the wind changes direction that way, then we're just dead."

How fast did this all happen?


3-5 minutes from the estimates of those near the scene. THat's what it took for the fire to dramatically increase in size, intensity, and to completely surround the team.

Nobody suggested they don't go in with a plan, but in worst case scenarios, plans don't always work. That's why they're called worst case scenarios.

When engulfed in a fire of this nature, the last resort is a fire blanket/shelter. That means you dig as deep as you can, pull flame resistant material that is designed to protect from flame and extreme heat over you, and hope it burns past. If it doesn't, and the fire is so strong it remains atop and all around you, you die. As the fire chief said in the link someone else posted, these provide at best a 50/50 chance of survival and are the last ditch attempt to save your life. There's no driving in or out. No flying in or out. Thousands of acres burning uncontrollably, and high winds that can shift and swirl with no notice, igniting everything in the area which is not already on fire.

This is one of the elite teams in the nation. In fact, they were the only accredited hot shotting team in the country all drawn from one local fire department. Ignoring the ample room between fool-proof escape plan and no plan at all is poorly thought out and disrespectful to those that lost their lives.

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Old 07-02-2013, 11:33 AM   #26
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The final photo Arizona firefighter Andrew Ashcraft texted to his wife before persishing in the Yarnell Hill fire-
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:18 PM   #27
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Here is a video showing how fast wildfires spread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPa_yEEd4E
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:49 PM   #28
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Here is a video showing how fast wildfires spread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvPa_yEEd4E


Amazing. 40 seconds from nothing to somewhere near 800 degrees.
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