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Old 07-03-2013, 05:43 PM   #61
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Default Re: NSA whistleblower Snowden arrives in Moscow

According to the media and all these official reports, he was supposedly on a plane to Cuba not too long ago... How'd that turn out?


most importantly, the true story isnt about where Snowden is.. The true story is: what should be the consequence for the government systematically destroying our 4th amendment rights (and trying to destroy the 1st amendment as well)

I think it is a bigger story that Clapper lied directly to Congress, and yet there are no perjury charges pending.. WTF??

If I lie to congress, do I get to simply write a letter to Diane Feinstein apologizing and everything is all good? I doubt it..
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:46 PM   #62
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The fvck are you talking about I "backtracked"? Read my first post on this topic.





"official statements" =\= evidence

How is a multitude of sources, all independent from another saying they were directly involved with putting Snowden on a plane to Moscow not evidence? You are backtracking all over the place here, shitting all over yourself.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:47 PM   #63
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According to the media and all these official reports, he was supposedly on a plane to Cuba not too long ago... How'd that turn out?


most importantly, the true story isnt about where Snowden is.. The true story is: what should be the consequence for the government systematically destroying our 4th amendment rights (and trying to destroy the 1st amendment as well)

I think it is a bigger story that Clapper lied directly to Congress, and yet there are no perjury charges pending.. WTF??

If I lie to congress, do I get to simply write a letter to Diane Feinstein apologizing and everything is all good? I doubt it..

These are all excellent points.

Ultimately, the location of Snowden does not matter, and discussing his location is distracting us from the real issues at hand.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:48 PM   #64
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How is a multitude of sources, all independent from another saying they were directly involved with putting Snowden on a plane to Moscow not evidence? You are backtracking all over the place here, shitting all over yourself.

are you really asking me how multiple sources saying things independently does not equal evidence?

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Old 07-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #65
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Hey Nanners, your tinfoil hat status has just been confirmed.

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Old 07-12-2013, 11:07 AM   #66
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His statement today:

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Hello. My name is Ed Snowden. A little over one month ago, I had family, a home in paradise, and I lived in great comfort. I also had the capability without any warrant to search for, seize, and read your communications. Anyone’s communications at any time. That is the power to change people’s fates.

It is also a serious violation of the law. The 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution of my country, Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and numerous statutes and treaties forbid such systems of massive, pervasive surveillance. While the US Constitution marks these programs as illegal, my government argues that secret court rulings, which the world is not permitted to see, somehow legitimize an illegal affair. These rulings simply corrupt the most basic notion of justice – that it must be seen to be done. The immoral cannot be made moral through the use of secret law.

I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg in 1945: "Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

Accordingly, I did what I believed right and began a campaign to correct this wrongdoing. I did not seek to enrich myself. I did not seek to sell US secrets. I did not partner with any foreign government to guarantee my safety. Instead, I took what I knew to the public, so what affects all of us can be discussed by all of us in the light of day, and I asked the world for justice.

That moral decision to tell the public about spying that affects all of us has been costly, but it was the right thing to do and I have no regrets.

Since that time, the government and intelligence services of the United States of America have attempted to make an example of me, a warning to all others who might speak out as I have. I have been made stateless and hounded for my act of political expression. The United States Government has placed me on no-fly lists. It demanded Hong Kong return me outside of the framework of its laws, in direct violation of the principle of non-refoulement – the Law of Nations. It has threatened with sanctions countries who would stand up for my human rights and the UN asylum system. It has even taken the unprecedented step of ordering military allies to ground a Latin American president’s plane in search for a political refugee. These dangerous escalations represent a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America, but to the basic rights shared by every person, every nation, to live free from persecution, and to seek and enjoy asylum.

Yet even in the face of this historically disproportionate aggression, countries around the world have offered support and asylum. These nations, including Russia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Ecuador have my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world. It is my intention to travel to each of these countries to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders.

I announce today my formal acceptance of all offers of support or asylum I have been extended and all others that may be offered in the future. With, for example, the grant of asylum provided by Venezuela’s President Maduro, my asylee status is now formal, and no state has a basis by which to limit or interfere with my right to enjoy that asylum. As we have seen, however, some governments in Western European and North American states have demonstrated a willingness to act outside the law, and this behavior persists today. This unlawful threat makes it impossible for me to travel to Latin America and enjoy the asylum granted there in accordance with our shared rights.

This willingness by powerful states to act extra-legally represents a threat to all of us, and must not be allowed to succeed. Accordingly, I ask for your assistance in requesting guarantees of safe passage from the relevant nations in securing my travel to Latin America, as well as requesting asylum in Russia until such time as these states accede to law and my legal travel is permitted. I will be submitting my request to Russia today, and hope it will be accepted favorably.

If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:30 AM   #67
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What have we become...?
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:10 PM   #68
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What have we become...?

Become? Has anything really changed? The past is as sordid as the present man, same shi, different day.
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