Originally Posted by Anti Hero
A shame that they ruined his character in 60 seconds.
How exactly was his character ruined?
He's IMO easily the second best villain both in his arc in the story and performance of all-time.
1) Ledger's Joker (TDK)
2) Hardy's Bane (TDK Rises)
The rest ...
Originally Posted by Brujesino
Bane dying the way he did was lame.
How was Bane dying lame? What were they supposed to do?
He already conceited defeat to the Batman "I broke you"
Batman came in there, broke his mask and then molly whopped his ass and bested him fair and square. Bane needed Talia's help to gain the upper hand again.
But Batman doesn't kill, and Bane isn't going to be someone who is caught. It made total sense that Catwoman be the one to save Batman (the point of her character arc was to show Batman made a positive impact on someone, and she's loyal ... like a cat) and blast Bane away with CANON FIRE from the bat-pod.
He took a blast from a very large canon, and took it like a champ. How is that lame? After he was defeated by Bruce, his character became pointless. Yet he still managed to have another terrific line of dialogue
"You'll just have to imagine the fire"
And then Hathaway's delivery of her line after offing Bane was super on point.
Originally Posted by Brujesino
**** that character he aint Robin you cant just create your own ****ing robin.
Nah, you just didn't get it. Nolan and Bale went on record saying they didn't want Robin in these films. And he wasn't in these films. Gone is the corny 12 year old, completely un-realistic vigilante side kick who makes quips and wears elf boots in red and green.
Instead, we get a brilliant re-invention of the character that makes more sense, has more heart and ultimately a lot cooler.
And he isn't Robin. That's why you're hung up on it. His name, yes is literally Robin. Which is fan service. But he's an original character who takes the best elements of Robin's purpose from the comics and makes it more believable and nuanced. What, you thought they were going to give us Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd? There has been tons of Robins in the comics.
Instead we get an amazing amalgamation of all the Robin characters, molded into a new character who serves Robin's greatest purposes:
- Inspired by the Batman
- Bring optimism in the face of cynicism
- Re-inspires Bruce Wayne
- Connects to Bruce on an orphan level
- Carries the legacy / mantle of the Batman when Wayne is done
Robin John Blake is an interesting character. He's optimistic in a cynical surrounding, he's angry and driven without being an annoying and edgy teenager / child type character. He's smart, and idealistic. He almost represents a son figure to both Wayne and Gordon. He represents the both of them at various points in their life.
He actually is supposed to be insinuated as the next Batman at the end of the film. The entire trilogy was about Wayne's goal of creating a symbol, an idea, a persona ... a legend. He found a replacement he trusted, who he connected with, leaving Gotham in good hands.
Bruce Wayne succeeded in his quest started in Batman Begins.
Legends don't die. Symbols can't be killed. They transcend one man's life. That's why Robin is left the tools if Gotham should ever need a dark knight to sink their hands into the filth to protect the city and act beyond the law. Afterall, laws, men, political officials can be bent and broken ... not always serving justice.
White knights are fine, but dark knights will always be needed at some point to protect. Only wolfs can defeat other wolfs.
Nolan's ending was a brilliant idea. He even found a way to adapt a very corny character, and make it believable and interesting. I never thought I could ever like a Robin character in the Batman mythos until Nolan gave is John Blake.