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Old 05-23-2018, 07:44 AM   #1
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Default Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

I have entertained this discussion before this year, so the outcome of this series has little to do with it (unless Paul completely chokes itaway while Houston has massive leads and he goes 0-10 or whatever or the other way around).

In terms of CAREER VALUE, I'm leaning Paul.


He gives me more contributing seasons.

Of course around 2011 or so, this was a blowout.

Wade's 5-year stretch of 2006-2011 is better than any of Paul's, as he was elite more often.

But starting the very next year, Paul wasn't just on par with Wade, he moved ahead.

Paul was a better player than Wade every single season since 2011/2012, and due to a variety of issues in Wade's game, he became somewhat of an occasional liability at times with weak on court impact. Wade was an on-court negative in the 2013 ECF + 2013 Finals, he even was benched in the finals.


Since 2013/2014, Wade's teams have been better without him on the court every year but 2014/2015, where they were still a negative team with him on the court. Not being able to shoot the long ball comes at a price in today's NBA.


So it's come to the point where Paul is still an All-NBA'er while Wade a negative.

But even in totality:

Wade has 4 elite/superstar seasons (2006, 2009-2011) to Paul's 2 (2008-2009), which cannot be shrugged off either.

Wade and Paul both have 8 All-NBA teams but Paul has one more All-NBA team among the first 2 teams. And he can add to it this year.

Wade has him by 3 all-star games which is really a representation of his popularity.

His 2015 + 2016 all-star seasons are in no way shape of form better seasons than 2017 + 2018 Paul seasons which didn't get in. Wade was of lesser impact in those years.

So I see both at about top 25 all time, although there are a few active players right now which could surpass them.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:03 AM   #2
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Chris Paul is 6 feet 180 pounds, with multiple knee injuries and ended up having better longevity than 64 220 pound Wade


Sad.





Give me Chris Paul Peak wise as well as Career wise.




Harden right now has more help than LeBron EVER had.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:05 AM   #3
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Another lame agenda thread.

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Old 05-23-2018, 08:08 AM   #4
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Wade and it is not even close.

What a dumb thread
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:30 AM   #5
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Ugh...


Of course a pack of rabbid Wade fans comes jumping in. ISH.


Wade is awesome, on pace to be a top 10-12 player ever in 2011, was screwed by LeBron that year, offered good help in 2012...

you happy now?

Don't be ignorant. Open your mind a bit at the thought that this is a very real discussion to be had. What losers you are, AirFederer (who I thought got better) and Andrei.


Again, Wade's only edge here comes through having 2 more "elite" seasons.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:35 AM   #6
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Peak Wade was clearly better.

Paul also has worn down in the playoffs a lot.

Even with Wade's injuries, you know if you draft him, you are likely to win multiple titles with championship level help with him as your best player over the course of his career.

With Paul, I don't think the same can be said. I think it would be pretty tough just for Paul to make a finals, let alone win one, as the best player on a team.
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:48 AM   #7
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This is the dumbest f*cking thread.

Both sides as pathetic as the other. Kobe fans thinking Kobe is better than Bron, and then idiotic Bron fans trying to downplay his help. If it makes you feel any better, Bron only got one really good season out of Wade. He had one more good year and then was pretty average in 2013 onwards.

Chris Paul? Chris Paul over Wade? Are you dense?
Wade was elite in 05, not at the start of 06.
From his first all NBA team to his last he put up 26/5/6 on 49% as well as 2 steals and a block a game.

Arguably one of the best finals performances ever.
One of the best finals performers ever.
Got better in the playoffs.

The fark has Chris Paul achieved? Granted those New Orleans teams weren't special, but his Clippers teams were just as talented, and more well rounded than any team Wade ever played on.

Blake, DeAndre, Caron Butler, Crawford, Bledsoe, Barnes... They were all on a team with Paul at the same time. He as the leader couldn't make it work.
Wade in 06 won a title with a hell of a lot less.
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

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Peak Wade was clearly better.

Paul also has worn down in the playoffs a lot.

Even with Wade's injuries, you know if you draft him, you are likely to win multiple titles with championship level help with him as your best player over the course of his career.

With Paul, I don't think the same can be said. I think it would be pretty tough just for Paul to make a finals, let alone win one, as the best player on a team.
Lol and Wade hasn't worn down in multiple playoff runs??
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Old 05-23-2018, 08:51 AM   #9
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Wade and it's not even particularly close. Wade is a top 22 GOAT at WORST and CP3 is top 50 at BEST.


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Paul was a better player than Wade every single season since 2011/2012, and due to a variety of issues in Wade's game, he became somewhat of an occasional liability at times with weak on court impact. Wade was an on-court negative in the 2013 ECF + 2013 Finals, he even was benched in the finals.
**** off. Wade in '12 and '13 >> CP3. How did CP3 perform in the WCF in '13, BTW? Wade was dealing with a knee injury and he still save the Heat in games 4 and 7 of the Finals that season. Heck, Wade was brilliant in Game 5 as well, while LeBron was laying a massive egg.

As for On-Off numbers and +/-, LeBron was a negative in G6 of the '13 Finals. I guess he should've been benched a bit more, right? Wade also had better On-Off number than LeBron in the RS this season when he played with the Cavs. LeBron was actually a negative when Wade was with the Cavs and Wade was +2.5. Does that make Wade a better player than LeBron this season?

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So it's come to the point where Paul is still an All-NBA'er while Wade a negative.
Even with CP3 getting a bunch of undeserved All-NBA selections and Wade not getting some, they still have the same number of All-NBA selections. EQUAL. CP3 will make one this season and that would mean CP3 would have ONE All-NBA selection more than Wade.

Wade has an FMVP, BTW. Should've had two, but LeBron decided to choke his ass off in '11.


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His 2015 + 2016 all-star seasons are in no way shape of form better seasons than 2017 + 2018 Paul seasons which didn't get in. Wade was of lesser impact in those years.
As I said, if you're solely looking at +/- and On-Off numbers to evaluate players, you're an idiot and LeBron just had a worse RS than Wade this season (with the Cavs).

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Lol and Wade hasn't worn down in multiple playoff runs??
2016, you stupid fuck. Ancient Wade was within a game of making the ECF with a shit cast. Dude was brilliant in the PO's. Something we've NEVER seen from CP3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUfv475SC8
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs. Chris Paul All-Time

Wade's 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg 4 rebounds 4 assists on 45% shooting and a negative On/Off
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Lets please ignore AJ in this thread

He has his mouth attached to Wade's ass so take anything with a grain of salt.

He will be posting NO impact numbers to prove his case in this one, Lol.
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Wade's 2013 playoffs: 15.9 ppg 4 rebounds 4 assists on 45% shooting and a negative On/Off

That was his 10th year.

A sure black mark on his resume.

Got benched in the finals.
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That was his 10th year.

A sure black mark on his resume.

Got benched in the finals.


And then there was the 2014 Finals..


And he missed the playoffs without LeBron in 2015.


And in 2017 he had Jimmy Butler and Rondo and lost in the 1st round to a 5'9 dude after blowing a 2-0 lead
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I said, if you're solely looking at +/- and On-Off numbers to evaluate players, you're an idiot and LeBron just had a worse RS than Wade this season (with the Cavs).


2016, you stupid fuck. Ancient Wade was within a game of making the ECF with a shit cast. Dude was brilliant in the PO's. Something we've NEVER seen from CP3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUfv475SC8

Yes, I am doing that and detecting a pattern, which there isn't with LeBron. Dummie. And even this year they were of course better with LeBron on the court.

Wade was good in the '16 playoffs for his fading standards.

Reality check: 21 ppg with 4 assists to 3 TO's on 18 shots isn't that special.

Keep drinking that cool-aid.

And it's not about IF LeBron should have been benched, Wade WAS benched.
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And then there was the 2014 Finals..

Again, the worst finals of any ATG ever.

He stat padded harder than Paul this series.

Game 4 (through 3 quarters at which point it was over in a 20+ pt. game):

4 Points on 1-10 10% 2-4 50% FT's + 2 TO's

Game 5 (through 3 quarters at which point it was over in a 20+ pt. game):

8 points on 3-11 27%


Mindboggingly bad.

Got outplayed by a guy named Patty.

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