Who's the 2nd greatest scorer of alltime?

[Psileas]

Thanks for sharing that. I was too lazy to find all of that. I respect either answer, but I'll provide my perspective.

Regular season points
Jordan- 32,292
Chamberlain- 31,419
Chamberlain would easily have more if he did not take a back seat to his teammates late in his career. Chamberlain took a back seat role-especially his final 2 seasons-while playing for a championship contender and MJ jacked up shots on a scrub team his final 2 years. Before anybody says that Wilt shot less because of being incapable, he led the league in fg% his final 2 seasons including a super impressive 72.7% his final season. He backed off because as he aged, he went for more efficiency while Baylor and West (2 other top 10 scorers of all time) started stepping up. Jordan had Pippen, but Pippen was not near the level of scorers that either of them were.

Regular season PPG
Jordan- 30.12
Wilt- 30.07
Again Wilt took a back seat role for many seasons that would have altered this. The 0.05ppg is so miniscule anyway, that this is essentially meaningless in terms of comparison.

30-point games Regular season
Jordan- 562
Chamberlain- 515
I assume this means 30 or greater rather than games scored between 30-39 points. Chamberlain would again easily surpass this if he didn't take a back seat role. Jordan never averaged fewer than 18 shots in a game. Wilt did 6 times. There is the flip side in which Wilt had many seasons with a ridiculous amount of fg attempts that I won't ignore. It is hard to tell who got the advantage here. Jordan spending a majority of his career shooting over 22 shots per game or Wilt having 6 seasons shooting over 28 shots but 6 seasons shooting under 18 (2 seasons under 10).

Scoring Titles
Jordan- 10
Wilt- 7
Easily covered by Wilt willingly taking a backseat role. Every season he didn't take a backseat he had the scoring title and could have easily continued. His first season taking the backseat in which he only shot 14 shots per game, he still scored 24ppg.

Playoff points
Jordan- 5,987
Chamberlain- 3,607
I'll cover in Playoff PPG

Playoff PPG
Jordan- 33.4
Chamberlain- 22.5
Their Playoff PPG was comparable until Wilt took a back seat. Jordan was always expected to carry the scoring load with a good scorer, but Wilt had 2 other top 10 scorers on his team that he allowed to score more and more as he aged in Baylor and West. Jordan having to share the ball with Pippen is nowhere near comparable to Wilt sharing having to share with Baylor and West. Also, some series Wilt had to go against the arguable GOAT defender in Bill Russell.

Scoring Titles Playoffs
Jordan- 10
Chamberlain- 1
Probably the best argument in favor of Jordan. Wilt had 6 playoffs where he shot enough that he should have had a shot at this, while Jordan succeeded in 10 of his 13 attempts. Although Jordan's never had to compete for this title with a Baylor level scorer, who had 4 times won this title, while frequently having to go against a Bill Russell level defender.

30-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 109
Wilt- 42
Jordan had much more games shooting enough to score 30. Jordan shot 25 shots per game in his playoff career, Wilt shot 17. Jordan averaged between 22-32 shots per game in the playoffs for 12 playoff runs, while Wilt shot 22-32 for 5 playoff runs, which tended to be shorter playoff runs, meaning way less games shooting enough to score 30 or more.

40-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 38
Chamberlain- 13
See 30-point Playoff games.

50-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 8
Chamberlain- 4
See 30-point Playoff games.

60-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 1
Chamberlain- 0
See 30-point Playoff games.

Points Finals
Jordan- 1,176
Chamberlain- 652
Jordan played in more Finals games and shot more in them.

Finals PPG
Jordan- 33.6
Chamberlain- 18.6
Jordan shot way more in Finals games.

30-point games Finals
Jordan- 23
Chamberlain- 4
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.

40-point games Finals
Jordan- 6
Chamberlain- 1
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.

50-point games Finals
Jordan- 1
Chamberlain- 0
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.



So, essentially Jordan's scoring is exaggerated by the number of games that he was the go to guy since he didn't have to share the ball with Baylor/West level scorers. Wilt's stats were exaggerated for a few seasons by him getting a ridiculous # of touches, but then spend more of his career letting those 2 other top 10 all time scorers have the ball as well.

What are Jordan's total 40, 50, and 60+ scoring games in comparison to Wilt's? Wilt also shot a better fg% for his career and led the league 9 times compared to Jordan's 0. He did this 2 times, which Jordan did 0. Unlike many modern players who may lead the league in fg% because of limited shooting when it is absolutely the easiest time to score possible, Wilt simultaneously was the highest fg% and ppg leader. That is an impressive feat that absolutely cannot be ignored. Also, I have to go all Kobe fan style on you and also point out the 100 point game.

I'd have said you saved me some time, if I had cared to take OP seriously.

[Mr Feeny]

One could argue that Lebron James is a pass first player and yet he still averages comfortably more than Wilt in the playoffs. In the regular season he was a beast but there's no excusing 18 ppg in the finals. If thats not the definition of choking, I dont know what is.

[CeilingFan#1]

It's not really debatable when you look at it from a pace normalized perspective, where Jordan dominates the list of the best scoring seasons of all time. Let's not even get into how MJ takes a dump on Wilt as a postseason scorer:

I never understood why people look so much at pace. If you are able to get the ball into position to score quickly, that is actually a good thing. For example, if you can get the ball to a guy down low and he can get you a high percentage look in under 5 seconds, that is a better thing than needing 15 seconds to get a good look.

[CeilingFan#1]

Wilt also shot a better fg% for his career and led the league 9 times compared to Jordan's 0. He did this 2 times, which Jordan did 0.

Accidentally left out that this was playoffs.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I gotta go with Kareem.

Really good and diverse post-game, athletic, could knock his ft's, greatest offensive move ever seen in his arsenal
Peak scoring almost 35 ppg on .603 TS%
13 seasons combined of almost 28 ppg on .590 TS%
Finished #1 in points 3 times; 2 scoring titles (ppg), 8 times top3
Actually maintained or even elevated his game in the post-season, from 1970 to 1986 in 15 playoff runs, 180 games, scored 27.3 ppg on .577 TS%
Leader in points scored, all-time

[Jailblazers7]

Why are you dodging the playoffs post? Are you implying Wilt might have shrunk when it counted? Hmmmmm.

Wilt willingly sacrificed his scoring in his Laker years, especially his last two seasons.

68-69 playoffs - 18 games 9.8 FGA
71-72 playoffs - 15 games 9.5 FGA
72-73 playoffs - 17 games 6.8 FGA

[pegasus]

3rd best PPG in NBA history on great efficency. you mad?

And what's his go-to move?

a. Pass
b. Flop
c. Turnover
d. Brick
e. Take talents to South Beach

[Iceman#44]

No mention for Allen Iverson or George Iceman Gervin??? WTF?????

Those 2 guys have won 8 scoring titles (4 AI and 4 Ice)

[Flash31]

1.Wilt
2.MJ
3.Sha
4.Kareem/LeBron
5.Bird
Whoever says otherwise is a straight up lying

In order

1.Wilt
2.Jordan
3.Kareem
4.Karl Malone
5.Shaq

Wilt-most dominant scorer ever
QUICKEST TO 10,000-20,000-30,000 pts
Jordan-longest stretch of dominant scoring
Kareem-unparalleled longevity,dominant to good scorer
20 ppg for 20 years 1st in Point Total
7,000 more than MJ
K Malone-extreme longevity,2nd in points 2,000 behind KAJ
yet 5,000 away from next closest player
Shaq-one of most dominant scorers in history
couldnt sustain it big enough and dominate like MJ,Wilt and not enough longevity as KAJ,KM and is under 30,000



rest

In NO order

Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
George Gervin
Dirk Nowitzki
Elgin Baylor
Allen Iverson
Dr J
Oscar Robertson
Larry Bird
Jerry West

[Deuce Bigalow]

Thanks for sharing that. I was too lazy to find all of that. I respect either answer, but I'll provide my perspective.

Regular season points
Jordan- 32,292
Chamberlain- 31,419
Chamberlain would easily have more if he did not take a back seat to his teammates late in his career. Chamberlain took a back seat role-especially his final 2 seasons-while playing for a championship contender and MJ jacked up shots on a scrub team his final 2 years. Before anybody says that Wilt shot less because of being incapable, he led the league in fg% his final 2 seasons including a super impressive 72.7% his final season. He backed off because as he aged, he went for more efficiency while Baylor and West (2 other top 10 scorers of all time) started stepping up. Jordan had Pippen, but Pippen was not near the level of scorers that either of them were.

Regular season PPG
Jordan- 30.12
Wilt- 30.07
Again Wilt took a back seat role for many seasons that would have altered this. The 0.05ppg is so miniscule anyway, that this is essentially meaningless in terms of comparison.

30-point games Regular season
Jordan- 562
Chamberlain- 515
I assume this means 30 or greater rather than games scored between 30-39 points. Chamberlain would again easily surpass this if he didn't take a back seat role. Jordan never averaged fewer than 18 shots in a game. Wilt did 6 times. There is the flip side in which Wilt had many seasons with a ridiculous amount of fg attempts that I won't ignore. It is hard to tell who got the advantage here. Jordan spending a majority of his career shooting over 22 shots per game or Wilt having 6 seasons shooting over 28 shots but 6 seasons shooting under 18 (2 seasons under 10).

Scoring Titles
Jordan- 10
Wilt- 7
Easily covered by Wilt willingly taking a backseat role. Every season he didn't take a backseat he had the scoring title and could have easily continued. His first season taking the backseat in which he only shot 14 shots per game, he still scored 24ppg.

Playoff points
Jordan- 5,987
Chamberlain- 3,607
I'll cover in Playoff PPG

Playoff PPG
Jordan- 33.4
Chamberlain- 22.5
Their Playoff PPG was comparable until Wilt took a back seat. Jordan was always expected to carry the scoring load with a good scorer, but Wilt had 2 other top 10 scorers on his team that he allowed to score more and more as he aged in Baylor and West. Jordan having to share the ball with Pippen is nowhere near comparable to Wilt sharing having to share with Baylor and West. Also, some series Wilt had to go against the arguable GOAT defender in Bill Russell.

Scoring Titles Playoffs
Jordan- 10
Chamberlain- 1
Probably the best argument in favor of Jordan. Wilt had 6 playoffs where he shot enough that he should have had a shot at this, while Jordan succeeded in 10 of his 13 attempts. Although Jordan's never had to compete for this title with a Baylor level scorer, who had 4 times won this title, while frequently having to go against a Bill Russell level defender.

30-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 109
Wilt- 42
Jordan had much more games shooting enough to score 30. Jordan shot 25 shots per game in his playoff career, Wilt shot 17. Jordan averaged between 22-32 shots per game in the playoffs for 12 playoff runs, while Wilt shot 22-32 for 5 playoff runs, which tended to be shorter playoff runs, meaning way less games shooting enough to score 30 or more.

40-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 38
Chamberlain- 13
See 30-point Playoff games.

50-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 8
Chamberlain- 4
See 30-point Playoff games.

60-point games Playoffs
Jordan- 1
Chamberlain- 0
See 30-point Playoff games.

Points Finals
Jordan- 1,176
Chamberlain- 652
Jordan played in more Finals games and shot more in them.

Finals PPG
Jordan- 33.6
Chamberlain- 18.6
Jordan shot way more in Finals games.

30-point games Finals
Jordan- 23
Chamberlain- 4
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.

40-point games Finals
Jordan- 6
Chamberlain- 1
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.

50-point games Finals
Jordan- 1
Chamberlain- 0
Jordan shot way more and played more Finals games.



So, essentially Jordan's scoring is exaggerated by the number of games that he was the go to guy since he didn't have to share the ball with Baylor/West level scorers. Wilt's stats were exaggerated for a few seasons by him getting a ridiculous # of touches, but then spend more of his career letting those 2 other top 10 all time scorers have the ball as well.

What are Jordan's total 40, 50, and 60+ scoring games in comparison to Wilt's? Wilt also shot a better fg% for his career and led the league 9 times compared to Jordan's 0. He did this 2 times, which Jordan did 0. Unlike many modern players who may lead the league in fg% because of limited shooting when it is absolutely the easiest time to score possible, Wilt simultaneously was the highest fg% and ppg leader. That is an impressive feat that absolutely cannot be ignored. Also, I have to go all Kobe fan style on you and also point out the 100 point game.

More excuses by Wilt fans comes as no surprise. Essay after essay. Both played in 6 Finals btw and Jordan was more efficient than Wilt. MJ-56.9 TS% and 56.8 TS% in the playoffs, Wilt-54.7 TS% and 52.4 TS% in the playoffs. The facts speak for themselves and excuses because Wilt didn't shoot enough or that Jordan shot more are weak.

[HylianNightmare]

mj

[Deuce Bigalow]

His scoring drops because he changed roles they said...

1960-1966 Regular season - 39.6 ppg
1960-1966 Playoffs - 32.8 ppg

1967-1973 Regular season - 19.8 ppg
1967-1973 Playoffs - 17.6 ppg

Regular season PPG -- Playoffs PPG
37.6 -- 33.2 (-4.4)
38.4 -- 37.0 (-1.4)
50.4 -- 35.0 (-15.4)
44.8 -- N/A
36.9 -- 34.7 (-2.2)
34.7 -- 29.3 (-5.4)
33.8 -- 28.0 (-5.8)
24.7 -- 21.7 (-3.0)
24.3 -- 23.7 (-0.6)
20.5 -- 13.9 (-6.6)
27.3 -- 22.1 (-5.2)
20.7 -- 18.3 (-2.5)
14.8 -- 14.7 (-0.1)
13.2 -- 10.4 (-2.8)

Regular season PPG -- NBA Finals PPG
36.9 -- 29.2 (-7.7)
24.7 -- 17.7 (-7.0)
20.5 -- 11.7 (-8.8)
27.3 -- 23.3 (-4.0)
14.8 -- 19.4 (+4.6)
13.2 -- 11.6 (-1.6)

[Im so nba'd out]

Its kobe.Kobe he is jordan 2.0 and thats a compliment idc if he stole from his game atleast he stole from the best player ever.

[Marchesk]

Where's Lebron?

27.5 ppg on 49.4 FG% in the regular season. He's top 3 in scoring since the 2004-05 to 2012-13 NBA Season. He won his first scoring title back in 2008 after he averaged 30 ppg in the regular season.

28.1 ppg on 47.1 FG% in the playoffs.

Since we're talking about a player in his prime, here's Oscar at 29:

30.3 on 48.8% for regular season and 29.1 on 46.6% for playoffs.

I'm sure there are others who would be averaging more than Lebron at age 29 like Dantley or Baylor.

[Marchesk]

His scoring drops because he changed roles they said...

1960-1966 Regular season - 39.6 ppg
1960-1966 Playoffs - 32.8 ppg

Wilt shot 50% in the playoffs during his volume scoring years. 33 a game isn't bad. That would rank up there with the greatest playoff scoring stretches.