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Old 03-07-2009, 05:51 PM   #31
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I am getting sick of all these Wade threads.

The bottom line is this: Lebron has already been doing what Wade is finally doing now for the past 3 seasons, at a younger age. If Wade has marginally better stats than Lebron or Kobe in certain areas, it does not automatically make him the better player.

Especially considering Wade has inferior teammates who rely on him a lot more.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:54 PM   #32
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This season Kobe

+.500 teams
Minutes 37.1
Pts. 28.1
FG 46%
RBs 5.8
ASSTs. 4.6
STL. 1.1
BLK.5
TO. 2.8
FT 85%
EFF 24.2

Below .500 Teams
Minutes 35.5
Pts. 28.1
FG 48%
RBs 5.2
ASSTs. 5.3
STL. 1.5
BLK.3
TO. 2.5
FT 88%
EFF 26.5

Not much of a change. And shouldn't some stats go up against a worse team? Worse defense should equal better stats. I think there would be something wrong with a player who can't put up better numbers against an inferior team.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:54 PM   #33
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would wade have a ring without shaq? no
would kobe? no

so it makes plenty of sense.

don't get your panties in a bunch just cause you have a man-crush on that
herpes ridden band-aid wearing resturaunt crushing turd

Would Shaq have rings without Bryant or Wade? Also a distinction needs to be made between Lakers Shaq who led Kobe and the other Lakers to three titles and Heat Shaq who climbed on Wade's back with the other Heats and rode to a title.


As for the 82games stats, they don't really show anything from what I can see. All three of these guys seem reasonably proficient against all levels of teams.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:58 PM   #34
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I am getting sick of all these Wade threads.

The bottom line is this: Lebron has already been doing what Wade is finally doing now for the past 3 seasons, at a younger age.

Yea and no. The Heat have the smallest team in the league and the second youngest. Whatever deficiencies LeBron's past year supporting casts may have had, size and inexperience were not among them.
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Old 03-07-2009, 06:01 PM   #35
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This season Kobe

+.500 teams
Minutes 37.1
Pts. 28.1
FG 46%
RBs 5.8
ASSTs. 4.6
STL. 1.1
BLK.5
TO. 2.8
FT 85%
EFF 24.2

Below .500 Teams
Minutes 35.5
Pts. 28.1
FG 48%
RBs 5.2
ASSTs. 5.3
STL. 1.5
BLK.3
TO. 2.5
FT 88%
EFF 26.5

Not much of a change. And shouldn't some stats go up against a worse team? Worse defense should equal better stats. I think there would be something wrong with a player who can't put up better numbers against an inferior team.
did you get this from 82games.com?or did you do it yourself?
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Old 03-07-2009, 06:04 PM   #36
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did you get this from 82games.com?or did you do it yourself?
http://www.hoopsstats.com
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:46 PM   #37
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That is not true. Thank you for finally shutting the **** up.

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Old 03-07-2009, 07:53 PM   #38
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I was gonna say, "ask Popovich's opinion, unless you think the Spurs are a bad team"

but then I saw the ^^ above post, which completed shreaded this thread.
props.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:57 PM   #39
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This season Kobe

+.500 teams
Minutes 37.1
Pts. 28.1
FG 46%
RBs 5.8
ASSTs. 4.6
STL. 1.1
BLK.5
TO. 2.8
FT 85%
EFF 24.2

Below .500 Teams
Minutes 35.5
Pts. 28.1
FG 48%
RBs 5.2
ASSTs. 5.3
STL. 1.5
BLK.3
TO. 2.5
FT 88%
EFF 26.5

Not much of a change. And shouldn't some stats go up against a worse team? Worse defense should equal better stats. I think there would be something wrong with a player who can't put up better numbers against an inferior team.

Don't use logic here, no one knows how to understand it.
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:57 PM   #40
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[quote=jrong]Would Shaq have rings without Bryant or Wade? Also a distinction needs to be made between Lakers Shaq who led Kobe and the other Lakers to three titles and Heat Shaq who climbed on Wade's back with the other Heats and rode to a title.
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probably not, but a big man is more valuable to a team than a guard.
shaq was the anchor and opened up the space to allow kobe and wade to be champions

and shaq would crush wade if he climbed on his back.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:18 PM   #41
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The exact stats I was going to look for just after reading thread title. Reps.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:30 PM   #42
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probably not, but a big man is more valuable to a team than a guard.
shaq was the anchor and opened up the space to allow kobe and wade to be champions

I can't speak with authority on how it worked between Shaq and Kobe, but it didn't work that way with Shaq and Wade. The Heat would establish Shaq early. But, Wade was the closer in the 4th. And Shaq was frequently not even on the court for crucial stretches of the final quarter because of his FT issues and also foul problems.

For example, regarding the Finals, there's this prevailing notion that Shaq drew all the defensive attention and allowed Wade to score at will. But, that simply wasn't what happened. I've posted this before, but Shaq's +/- was the lowest on the team for those six games. If he was freeing up Wade so much, then his +/- should have been good, because Wade would have been scoring bunches of points while he was on the floor.

Additionally, Shaq actually only played 28 mpg because of foul trouble in the series. He sat out large portions of the fourth quarters because of the reasons I mentioned above.
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:44 PM   #43
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3rd post knockout!

this thread is trash.
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