Jesus or Pat Tillman?

[miller-time]

[Nanners]

saw this pic today when i had some free time at work. also found this gem on pat tillmans wikipedia page

According to speakers at his funeral, he was very well-read, having read a number of religious texts including the Bible, Qur’an and Book of Mormon as well as transcendentalist authors such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. However, responding to religious overtones at the funeral by Maria Shriver and John McCain, his youngest brother, Richard, asserted that "He's not with God, he's ****ing dead. He's not religious." Richard added, "Thanks for your thoughts, but he's ****ing dead."

[Real Men Wear Green]

How do you know Tillman was an atheist?

[Real Men Wear Green]

saw this pic today when i had some free time at work. also found this gem on pat tillmans wikipedia page

That was some interesting reading. Wild that a guy with his views would volunteer for our weird wars.

[Nanners]

i think this thread brings up a REALLY good point that is not talked about very much at all:


supposedly, jesus comes down from heaven to help out mankind for like 30 years. then he gets tortured to "death", but that is really just going back up to his kingdom in the clouds. also, the guy had the powers of god.... is it possible for man to torture a god? doesnt jesus have the power to prevent himself from feeling pain? why would a god even have the capability of feeling physical pain in the first place?

what did jesus sacrifice again? how did he "die for our sins" exactly?

[Just2McFly]

this thread

[Brujesino]

Pat Tillman was killed by his own people does that even count as a sacrifice?

[ace23]

this thread

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[Brujesino]

i think this thread brings up a REALLY good point that is not talked about very much at all:


supposedly, jesus comes down from heaven to help out mankind for like 30 years. then he gets tortured to "death", but that is really just going back up to his kingdom in the clouds. also, the guy had the powers of god.... is it possible for man to torture a god? doesnt jesus have the power to prevent himself from feeling pain? why would a god even have the capability of feeling physical pain in the first place?

what did jesus sacrifice again? how did he "die for our sins" exactly?

Jesus didnt come from heaven he was born here.I'm pretty sure he was , ugh religion is just so ****ing weird.

[MMM]

Both were killed by their own people.

Jesus was not killed

[miller-time]

Pat Tillman was killed by his own people does that even count as a sacrifice?

I don't think how he died mattered as much as the fact he gave up everything and put himself in dangerous circumstances. He could have survived and still sacrificed something.

[CelticBaller]

I don't think how he died mattered as much as the fact he gave up everything and put himself in dangerous circumstances. He could have survived and still sacrificed something.

And? Thousands of soldiers do that every day. Army>Jesus

[miller-time]

Jesus didnt come from heaven he was born here.I'm pretty sure he was , ugh religion is just so ****ing weird.

Jesus existed before the incarnation.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[Patrick Chewing]

i think this thread brings up a REALLY good point that is not talked about very much at all:


supposedly, jesus comes down from heaven to help out mankind for like 30 years. then he gets tortured to "death", but that is really just going back up to his kingdom in the clouds. also, the guy had the powers of god.... is it possible for man to torture a god? doesnt jesus have the power to prevent himself from feeling pain? why would a god even have the capability of feeling physical pain in the first place?

what did jesus sacrifice again? how did he "die for our sins" exactly?

The flesh above our solves is just that, flesh. Ever see that movie Contact with Jodie Foster?

There's a scene where she meets an alien, but the alien looks like her father. They explain that it's the only way for her to understand what they are and to comfort her. This is what Jesus could have been for man back in his time. We do not know what deities look like. If Jesus was put here on Earth to change man's ways, would we take him seriously if he looked like something we've never seen before?? Probably not.

[miller-time]

And? Thousands of soldiers do that every day. Army>Jesus

But most of them don't turn down millions of dollars to do it. They often do it out of necessity to themselves (such as job security). Plenty do do it for the same reasons Tillman did, but he is just a high profile case. Ultimately the point isn't so much about promoting Tillman as much as dismissing Jesus' sacrifice as a hollow gesture.