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Old 10-15-2017, 02:25 AM   #31
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You lost me on Curry. Not convinced that Curry would be able to handle the Physicality back then.

It's more than just "skill". There's so many other factors.

I think Damon Stoudemire would give Curry fits and those Jailblazers would've laid him on his ass several times to a point where he would probably shrink.


Durant and Shaq would workout definitely.

Still not 1000% sure about MJ and Shaq or LeBron and Shaq.

Those are three ego combinations that would clash and burn

For sure

MJ+Shaq would end up with someone being killed

MJ or Shaq + LeBron would end up with James taking his talents to wherever the f uck they take him
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:27 AM   #32
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You lost me on Curry. Not convinced that Curry would be able to handle the Physicality back then.

It's more than just "skill". There's so many other factors.

I think Damon Stoudemire would give Curry fits and those Jailblazers would've laid him on his ass several times to a point where he would probably shrink.


Durant and Shaq would workout definitely.

Still not 1000% sure about MJ and Shaq or LeBron and Shaq.

Those are three ego combinations that would clash and burn
Agreed if we are talking about Curry in a more physical era.

Well, Shaq would know he's MJ's big ass sidekick.

You're talking about egos but refusing to acknowledge that the massive ego clash between Kobe (the supreme narcissist of All Time) and Shaq basically left 2 definitive chips on the table because of the tension between them. They made it work out of sheer dominance of talent.

Much like Wade and LeBron not really meshing, but they just still managed to out talent other teams.

Yet other players couldn't make it work with Shaq?



Kobe had too much to prove ultimately. I think a literal real time 2000 - 2002, 37 - 39 year old MJ without injury could've three peated with that version of Shaq.

Before his knee injury in 2k2 he and Kobe were the only players putting up 26/5/5. Kobe was 23 and Mike was turning 39.

LeBron's issue would be playing without the ball in his hands, with high usage, in an actual offense. One where he'd dump it down to Shaq, then he'd be forced to take more actual jumpers.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:43 AM   #33
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Agreed if we are talking about Curry in a more physical era.

Well, Shaq would know he's MJ's big ass sidekick.

You're talking about egos but refusing to acknowledge that the massive ego clash between Kobe (the supreme narcissist of All Time) and Shaq basically left 2 definitive chips on the table because of the tension between them. They made it work out of sheer dominance of talent.

Much like Wade and LeBron not really meshing, but they just still managed to out talent other teams.

Yet other players couldn't make it work with Shaq?



Kobe had too much to prove ultimately. I think a literal real time 2000 - 2002, 37 - 39 year old MJ without injury could've three peated with that version of Shaq.

Before his knee injury in 2k2 he and Kobe were the only players putting up 26/5/5. Kobe was 23 and Mike was turning 39.

LeBron's issue would be playing without the ball in his hands, with high usage, in an actual offense. One where he'd dump it down to Shaq, then he'd be forced to take more actual jumpers.

There's no way LeBron and Prime Shaq would work either for a variety of reasons. These are two guys that need to be constantly pampered and reminded of their place in basketball immortality.

Not even gonna begin to talk about the ball dominant/off-ball dynamic that would eat that team alive inside out.

basically, someone would get neutralized due to how they both play and what's needed to actually win.

And yes...the mid range jumpers....

There's only so many jumpers LeBron will take before he let's his FG% get to a non-media friendly number.

Let alone the paint being clogged full time.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:51 AM   #34
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Lebron cannot play in the triangle.

It is an equal opportunity offense. Everyone is a threat. The Lakers would be much worse if they relied on LeBron setting people up as their offensive scheme. The Lakers have great passers throughout the roster and having one guy control the offense makes it too predictable to work.
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:40 PM   #35
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LMAO @ 34-24 talking about spacing



Kobe during the 3Peat years: 140-476 on 3s, a pathetic 29.4% from 3. Again this is over THREE SEASONS


LeBron LAST year alone: 124-342, 36.3% from 3. Then in the playoffs he was 44-107, 41.1 from 3. Which is a higher 3PT percentage than Kobe EVER had in the playoffs.






Spacing doe




Muh midrange doe
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Old 10-15-2017, 03:29 PM   #36
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LMAO @ 34-24 talking about spacing



Kobe during the 3Peat years: 140-476 on 3s, a pathetic 29.4% from 3. Again this is over THREE SEASONS


LeBron LAST year alone: 124-342, 36.3% from 3. Then in the playoffs he was 44-107, 41.1 from 3. Which is a higher 3PT percentage than Kobe EVER had in the playoffs.






Spacing doe




Muh midrange doe

How delusional can you be.

This is an era where a 2nd tier superstar like Harden just put up better stats than 96 Jordan.

A 5-8 point guard just put up 29 PPG.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:11 PM   #37
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How delusional can you be.

This is an era where a 2nd tier superstar like Harden just put up better stats than 96 Jordan.

A 5-8 point guard just put up 29 PPG.

Ah yes, that brutal era of 6'0 Iverson dropping 35ppg on Kobe with Shaq in the paint

Dat era
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:38 PM   #38
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Ah yes, that brutal era of 6'0 Iverson dropping 35ppg on Kobe with Shaq in the paint

Dat era

Why don't you look at his field goal percentage
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:44 PM   #39
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Why don't you look at his field goal percentage

Kobe's Finals % ??
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:12 PM   #40
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Once again. With Shaq drawing double/triples. McGrady gets to be a bit more free with his shot selection. I wouldn't compare his fg% against Kobes during the same time.

Kobe saw doubles every game, they were doubling both Shaq and Kobe but some teams would play Shaq straight-up to get the ball out of Kobe's hands (Detroit in 2004 Finals).

Could T-Mac do what Kobe did in the 2001 Playoffs? Was he as good as Kobe at running an offense? Could he run the triangle? Phil Jackson himself is quoted saying that Kobe was even a better playmaker than MJ.

For those who've made fun of Kobe's shooting, T-Mac never even had a FG% of 46+ nor was as as good of a FT shooter, also apart from a few seasons you could say that Kobe was a better mid-range AND long-range shooter. I think they both have a similar peak from 3s as far as 3PT% but Kobe shot with more volume and took more contested 3s.

And then we get to the defensive side - early 2000s Kobe was arguably the best 1-on-1 perimeter defender in the league.
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:18 PM   #41
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Ah yes, that brutal era of 6'0 Iverson dropping 35ppg on Kobe with Shaq in the paint

Dat era

AI didn't even crack 44%FG in a Finals game, he took 32.4 shots to average 35.6 ppg while only putting up 3.8 assists while Kobe shot better from everywhere on the court while also averaging 2 more rebounds & assists than AI. Ai took 11 more shots to average 11 more points in a one-sided series. He outplayed Kobe for one game, good job losing 4 in a row while averaging 33/6/3 on 40/26/67 shooting vs Kobe averaging 27/9/6 on 44/33/84 shooting
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:39 PM   #42
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Kobe saw doubles every game, they were doubling both Shaq and Kobe but some teams would play Shaq straight-up to get the ball out of Kobe's hands (Detroit in 2004 Finals).

.

Kobe stans revising history again?

Pistons played Shaq straight up to get the ball IN Kobe's hands.

They knew he would chuck them out of the game, which he inevitably did.

Chauncey Billups: "Our game plan was very calculated. We knew we were going to play Shaq straight-up. We knew there was no way we could stop Shaq straight-up. And there was also no way we could stop Kobe straight-up. But, if we’re going to play Shaq straight-up, [the Lakers'] eyes are going to get big, which means they’re going to keep throwing it down there. We’re telling Ben the whole time, "Take fouls when you need to, but don’t get yourself into foul trouble. You need to give up a layup, cool, we’re going to get what we want on the other side." But what’s going to happen is Mr. Bryant is going to get a little discouraged with getting no touches and now the second half comes around…now he’s pressing. He’s going to start coming down and just breaking the offense. When you do that, you’re done—you’re playing right into our hands. Even if you start making those shots, you’re finished."
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Kobe's Finals % ??
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:28 PM   #44
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Replace Shaq with Yao Ming and Kobe and Yao win at least 5 titles...

Replace Shaq with KG and Lakers 6 peat......

Replace Shaq with Gasol and Lakers win at least 5 from 01-10...

( Gasol never won a playoff game and nearly 3 peated wit Kobe)
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:33 PM   #45
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What about him?

We are talking about early 2000's perimeter replacements for Kobe.

MJ wouldn't even need a Shaq caliber player at his side to win multiple three peats, or suspect conference finals officiating ala the 2002 WCF.

That's the GOAT, doe. Everyone else is arguing for 2 - 10 spots.


True MJ wouldn’t need “ Shaq like players”.....but he did have one of the greatest two way players ever......heck Steph Curry doesn’t need a Shaq like player...warriors centers were scrubs...but he Curry did have amazing wing players with him...

No one really needed a Shaq like player......Kobe replaced a Sha with a soft european player and still nearly 3 peated
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