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Old 10-15-2017, 07:22 PM   #1
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Default Would you consider this player to be an inefficient chucker/scorer?

The numbers are TS relative to league-average.

Season 1: +2.4%
Season 2: +3.8%
Season 3: +2.3%
Season 4: +3.4%
Season 5: +2.4%
Season 6: +3.1%
Season 7: +3.5%
Season 8: +3.3%
Season 9: +2.4%
Season 10: +3.9%
Season 11: +3.6%
Season 12: +1.7%
Season 13: +0.2%
Season 14: +0.7%
Season 15: +0.0%
Season 16: +3.6%

How do you think this player compares ITO scoring efficiency compared to these two guys:


Player A:

Season 1: +3.1%
Season 2: +4.2%
Season 3: +4.2%
Season 4: +0.9%
Season 5: +2.9%
Season 6: +1.9%
Season 7: +3.9%
Season 8: +3.2%
Season 9: +3.5%
Season 10: +4.7%
Season 11: +0.0%
Season 12: -2.4%
Season 13: -4.4%

Player B:

Season 1: +.07
Season 2: -.07
Season 3: +3.0%
Season 4: +0.9%
Season 5: +4.2%
Season 6: +3.6%
Season 7: +7.4%
Season 8: +7.0%
Season 9: +0.9%

All three score with huge volume. League-average TS in 2017 was 55.2%

What do you say?
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:31 PM   #2
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Default Re: Would you consider this player to be an inefficient chucker/scorer?

Show me Seasons 17-20 as well
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: Would you consider this player to be an inefficient chucker/scorer?

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Show me Seasons 17-20 as well
That would ruin OP's agendo though
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:12 PM   #4
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Default Re: Would you consider this player to be an inefficient chucker/scorer?

.447, .329 from 3 and .837 from the line. That's what he shot. That's just the way it is. What it makes him is hard to say if you arent going to consider anything but those numbers. There are people who take bad shots and break offenses who shoot relatively well and guys who shoot 40% who certainly aren't chuckers. Its not all a question of Numbers. It's how you approach the game.

How could you really decide if somebody is a Chucker who takes bad shots based on a number that factors in free-throw percentage? People don't decide if you are chuckkng based on what you do while not being defended. Being a chucker is about your shot selection and the rate at which the shots go in. You can't factor in free-throw shooting percentage and decide such a thing. You get technical free throws and free throws at the end of games when the other team is fouling. You can't decide live action chucking with free throw shooting percentages.

Kobe was prone to take difficult shots and at times looked hesitant to pass the ball. Whatever label gets put on that is up to the individual but it's hard to dispute. It's also hard to dispute that he worked on tough shots and was better at them then most anyone. But still you were only going to shoot so well from the field when you take shots that require the skill he developed to make some of them.

Is it really worth an argument if one person says Kobe took too many tough shots and the other calls him a chucker?

It's essentially the same thing but one is trying to get a rise out of you.
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