Utah Jazz strategy in the last off season

[Embers]

Anyone understand it in any sense?

Why the hell would you let Big Al and Millsap go for free so easily and keep Favors/Kanter for?

Is it not smart to keep your two uncontracted players and trade away the trio of Favors/Kanter/Hayward? In essence whatever draft pick they get this year + GSW pick isnt going to equate to a better deal then losing Big Al, Millsap and Hayward for zero would represent.

To say its treading water is a understatement. Its just being so ridiculously long sighted you miss the huge enormous short term gains you can actually gain.

Id be surprised if they could not have kept Al + Millsap with big deals and traded into this years draft using Hayward/Kanter/Favors. That trio could have fetched them two very good first round picks along with their own.

Can someone explain to me how it makes sense in any shape or form what they are doing?

[ballup]

Big Al and Millsap win too many games for them.

[Embers]

Big Al and Millsap win too many games for them.

They are probably winning too many games as it is.

The fact is they could have gotten the top 10 picks by trading players under contract as opposed to letting players worth that much leave for zero.

Even if they get pick 1, they have to select Embiid which pretty much means Kanters career at Jazz is over anyway. Even in your best case scenario he isnt worth hanging on too.

[Fire Colangelo]

Idk, Utah fans overrate the hell out of Favors and Kanter IMO. They're gonna be serviceable big men, but not the franchise big men Utah fans will tell you they are.

[TheReturn]

They weren't gonna go anywhere.

[shmozzle]

As a jazz fan, the only move i disagree with is not firing ty corbin. They were on a treadmill with jefferson and millsap.

[Embers]

They weren't gonna go anywhere.

They would have been going somewhere. A random example. Lets say they trade Kanter + Hayward for Holiday + Noel pick (but pick someone more suited), and then trade Favors to Houston for say two future first rounders or something. A team of

Holiday
Burke
Carroll
Millsap
Jefferson

Muhammad, Burks, Evans, fillers

With 3 first rounders coming in. That is a much better current list and long term future then they have now

[shmozzle]

They would have been going somewhere. A random example. Lets say they trade Kanter + Hayward for Holiday + Noel pick (but pick someone more suited), and then trade Favors to Houston for say two future first rounders or something. A team of

Holiday
Burke
Carroll
Millsap
Jefferson

Muhammad, Burks, Evans, fillers

With 3 first rounders coming in. That is a much better current list and long term future then they have now

Where do you see that team finishing this year?

[Embers]

Where do you see that team finishing this year?

In the West id say they are 10-11th with the big difference being they actually have a base to build off and the ability to build fairly quickly.

Is it really worth giving up Al/Millsap/Hayward for zero so you can have a 11% better chance at getting the first pick which Id argue they dont want or need since they badly need a SF.

Your all so obsessed with tanking your ignoring the fact that in basketball terms Al Jefferson + Millsap + Hayward would provide you with more then a 4 or 5 pick difference from say pick 3 to 8.

[Jameerthefear]

They would have been going somewhere. A random example. Lets say they trade Kanter + Hayward for Holiday + Noel pick (but pick someone more suited), and then trade Favors to Houston for say two future first rounders or something. A team of

Holiday
Burke
Carroll
Millsap
Jefferson

Muhammad, Burks, Evans, fillers

With 3 first rounders coming in. That is a much better current list and long term future then they have now

Lol. No one would take those trades. Favors for two 1st rounders? lmao

[shmozzle]

In the West id say they are 10-11th with the big difference being they actually have a base to build off and the ability to build fairly quickly.

Is it really worth giving up Al/Millsap/Hayward for zero so you can have a 11% better chance at getting the first pick which Id argue they dont want or need since they badly need a SF.

Your all so obsessed with tanking your ignoring the fact that in basketball terms Al Jefferson + Millsap + Hayward would provide you with more then a 4 or 5 pick difference from say pick 3 to 8.

Interesting to note that the team this year is (was last time i checked) 18-9 when healthy. With a joke of a coach mind you. Not a huge sample size i know, but all of the 5 young players have proven they can play, as well as players like evans and gobert showing they can contribute.

I think to say they don't have a good base to build off is simply untrue. You have keep in mind how young these guys still are and they are still adjusting to full time rolls, which is on the management to be fair.

[Embers]

Lol. No one would take those trades. Favors for two 1st rounders? lmao

Scola was worth two first rounders essentially for a title contender. Why the heck wouldnt Favors draw that much for another title contender? His contract this year was very good.

Kanter seems to be ridiculously overrated by everyone. He would have fetched a pretty penny still. Few teams would have taken the risk knowing his wages are good. Maybe not the 76ers but a side like Charlotte would have sold the farm (instead of gift wrapping them Big Al). Maybe even Washington too.

Bit unsure of Haywards real worth, but you would have gotten something close to a pick around 15-30

Im confident atleast in the belief that Kanter would have gotten the Jazz a very good PG or top 10 pick. Hayward would have gotten a first rounder and Favors would have gotten two late first rounders or a late first rounder and a 2nd rounder.

Instead they got zero for 3 highly rated players.

[el gringos]

Just being cheap. The owner isn't trying hard enough.

If you are trying then you never give away value. If you wanted you could still have that asset or something of equal value.

[Clyde]

As a jazz fan, the only move i disagree with is not firing ty corbin. They were on a treadmill with jefferson and millsap.

good analogy. Im going to steal it

[El Kabong]

Scola was worth two first rounders essentially for a title contender. Why the heck wouldnt Favors draw that much for another title contender? His contract this year was very good.

Kanter seems to be ridiculously overrated by everyone. He would have fetched a pretty penny still. Few teams would have taken the risk knowing his wages are good. Maybe not the 76ers but a side like Charlotte would have sold the farm (instead of gift wrapping them Big Al). Maybe even Washington too.

Bit unsure of Haywards real worth, but you would have gotten something close to a pick around 15-30

Im confident atleast in the belief that Kanter would have gotten the Jazz a very good PG or top 10 pick. Hayward would have gotten a first rounder and Favors would have gotten two late first rounders or a late first rounder and a 2nd rounder.

Instead they got zero for 3 highly rated players.

How is that any better? So you'd have Big Al, Milsap, Pick #15-30 for Hayward, Pick #7-10 for Kanter (so likely Trey Burke again) and a couple of late first rounders for Favors instead of Favors, Hayward, Kanter, Burke, Burks and the 2 late 1st rounders they'll get from GWS + the cap space they currently have due to the Williams/Rush/Jefferson/Biendrins expiring contracts.

Either way you're not making the playoffs in the West, so why lock yourself down with long term deals with 28+ year olds in Jefferson and Milsap? (Jazz wouldn't have gotten Milsap for the price Atlanta did) Favors isn't going to be a superstar, but he has a chance to develop into a good defensive player, something Jefferson never has been, nor will be. If the Jazz can get a star player, then Hayward is a very good supporting piece to have as well, which you'd want to give away from a mid range draft pick?

I'm not saying what they did was a genius move or anything, and they probably expected to suck a bit more than they have been (or expected other teams not to suck as bad), but it's at least got some hope for the future.

Just being cheap. The owner isn't trying hard enough.

If you are trying then you never give away value. If you wanted you could still have that asset or something of equal value.

I'm pretty sure they've already said that the deals they were offered with Jefferson required them to take back a long term deal in return, which hardly anyone, especially a non-playoff team does under the current CBA.