Analysis of the shots LeBron James takes

[3ball]

NBA.com... 94% of Lebron's shots outside of 10 feet are either "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet), compared to 77.1% for Harden, 82.0% for Bradley Beal, 77.8% for Kawhi, and 66.6% for KDGoat (in 2019).

this shows a massive lack of jumpshooting skill compared to his peers.

There's no defense for guys hitting contested jumpers, so they require double-teams - Lebron doesn't even attempt contested jumpers, so that explains why he doesn't get doubled.

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no pip

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no chip

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you're rusty bro

[3ball]

you're rusty bro

Actually, the fact that lebron doesn't take contested jumpers explains a lot

In addition to his weak shooting not commanding doubles, Lebron is a long-dribbler, which Stan Van Gundy said he preferred rather than doubling and facing ball-movement.. Ultimately, coaches like Stan Van Gundy and Steve Kerr don't double weak-shooting, long-dribblers like Lebron, which allows the defense to stay at home and shut down teammates.

Lebron's suboptimal style (can't command a double) explains why MJ won more with less - i.e. lebron lost to #4 SRS Magic despite having the #3 defense and getting 18 on 38% from Mo, while MJ beat the #1 SRS with just the #11 defense and 15 on 40% from Pippen in 89'.

you're rusty bro

Lebron's weak-shooting and long-dribbling style of scoring explains why he never beat a good team with scoring, aka averaging 35+.. too much predictable, long dribbling and not enough hot/quick-hitter scoring that instills panic/adjustments - so the defense can rest and be fresher for offense, aka win attrition battle.. Bron's weak-shooting, ball-dominance loses the attrition battle against championship ball movement/brand

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welcome back 3ball. its a pleasure to have you back.


I see you're going right back to the 2009 cavs to start. can you answer one simple question for me?


who is the better player - 3-peat scottie pippen or mo williams?


I do recall some lengthy discussion on this subject.

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yes chips yes dip

[warriorfan]

3ball with another irrefutable thread. All that’s left for LeBron stans to do is throw tantrums.

[FireDavidKahn]

So he only takes good shots?

High IQ!

[3ball]

welcome back 3ball. its a pleasure to have you back.


I see you're going right back to the 2009 cavs to start. can you answer one simple question for me?


who is the better player - 3-peat scottie pippen or mo williams?


I do recall some lengthy discussion on this subject.

Pippen from 1990 onwards > 09' Mo

But in 1989, MJ would've beat the Pistons with the Cavs #3 defense and Mo Williams' superior offense.

And in 2009, MJ beats the #4 SRS Magic with the #3 defense and 18 on 38% from Mo, since MJ beat the #1 SRS with just the #11 defense and 15 on 40% from Pippen in 89'.

MJ always did more with less because his jumper required double-teams, which frees up teammates, and his off-ball game allowed great ball movement

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So what happened to your HoopsNY account?

Oops. My bad.

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3ball with another irrefutable thread. All that’s left for LeBron stans to do is throw tantrums.

please relax brother warriorsfan.


we know its been a rough decade since you and jabbar started the dingo thing - this thread isnt about childish finals MVP-less players.

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Pippen > Mo from 1990 onwards

correct 3ball. thank you.

I am also going to get you to acknowledge that lebron is in fact indisputably top-5 as you used to argue that he isnt top 15.

But in 1989, MJ would've beat the Pistons with the 09' Cavs #3 defense and Mo Williams' superior offense.

And MJ beats the #4 SRS Magic in 09' with the #3 defense and 18 on 38% from Mo, since MJ beat the #1 SRS in 89' with just the #11 defense and 15 on 40% from Pippen.

MJ always did more with less because his jumper required double-teams, which frees up teammates, and his off-ball game allowed great ball movement

did you actually watch the series?


nope. absolutely not. mo williams was putrid in that series. MJ on those cavs would absolutely not have beaten that magic team.

that version of lebron in that series was as good as he was any of the years that he won the championship. so 2012, 2013, 2016. and he was hitting his jumpshots that year and in that series, rendering your other point irrelevant.

the cavs just couldnt guard the magic and mj wouldnt fix that. the magic had THREE different mismatches that they were exploiting. dwight abusing Z, 6'9 rashard and 6'9 hedo shooting over 6'3 delonte. who was their second best perimeter defender. lebron could only guard one at a time.

even if mj shut down one of the two between hedo and rashard, it wouldnt make a difference because all 3 players were scorching. dwight finally had someone that he could score on for the only time in his life. we know he sucks on offense.

not to mention mj would be the only scorer carrying the entire offensive load - mo williams was a complete no-show. 40ppg wouldnt cut it.

when the magic played the lakers in the next round in the finals, the magic had ZERO mismatches that they could exploit. because ariza was a capable defender and gasol and odom were both mobile and long, and they destroyed dwight. and then kobe and fisher outclutched them. much better team than the 09 cavs.

every single version of mj would've gotten destroyed playing with delonte west and mo williams and anderson varejao and old Z.

mj hasnt won a single thing without the bulls team that won 55 games without him. I doubt those guys on the cavs would win 25 games, let alone 55 games.

[Vino24]

correct 3ball. thank you.

I am also going to get you to acknowledge that lebron is in fact indisputably top-5 as you used to argue that he isnt top 15.







did you actually watch the series?


nope. absolutely not. mo williams was putrid in that series. MJ on those cavs would absolutely not have beaten that magic team.

that version of lebron in that series was as good as he was any of the years that he won the championship. so 2012, 2013, 2016. and he was hitting his jumpshots that year and in that series, rendering your other point irrelevant.

the cavs just couldnt guard the magic and mj wouldnt fix that. the magic had THREE different mismatches that they were exploiting. dwight abusing Z, 6'9 rashard and 6'9 hedo shooting over 6'3 delonte. who was their second best perimeter defender. lebron could only guard one at a time.

even if mj shut down one of the two between hedo and rashard, it wouldnt make a difference because all 3 players were scorching. dwight finally had someone that he could score on for the only time in his life. we know he sucks on offense.

not to mention mj would be the only scorer carrying the entire offensive load - mo williams was a complete no-show. 40ppg wouldnt cut it.

when the magic played the lakers in the next round in the finals, the magic had ZERO mismatches that they could exploit. because ariza was a capable defender and gasol and odom were both mobile and long, and they destroyed dwight. and then kobe and fisher outclutched them. much better team than the 09 cavs.

every single version of mj would've gotten destroyed playing with delonte west and mo williams and anderson varejao and old Z.

mj hasnt won a single thing without the bulls team that won 55 games without him. I doubt those guys on the cavs would win 25 games, let alone 55 games.

Irrefutable. Well thought out post. Keep 3ball busy post lengthy replies

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Irrefutable. Well thought out post. Keep 3ball busy post lengthy replies

this discussion is purely for my own entertainment. 2009 lebron is one of the most complete players to ever touch a basketball in NBA history. dominant in every single aspect of the game and might in fact be my favorite version of lbj. probably the most athletic human being of all time as well.