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Old 03-12-2007, 03:45 PM   #16
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

If the Hawks had drafted Roy, they could have gone with this lineup:

PG: Lue
SG: Roy
SF: Johnson
PF: Josh Smith
C: Pachulia

With Childress, Williams, Claxton, Wright, Stoudamire off the bench.

The Hawks would have needed to get another big, but they still need one right now.

Sheldon is going to be a 9/8 guy at best. Never more.

Roy on the other hand, will be an All-Star soon enough.

Moving JJ to small forward isn't that much of a stretch. He is 6'8" and strong, with long arms. If anything, he might be even more effective since he would be quicker than most small forwards.

Smith would have been to take on the role of energy guy, since he would be the third option.

Roy would be the perfect second option behind JJ.

Oh well.

Last year the Hawks could have drafted Paul, and this year Roy.

How about Paul, JJ, Roy, Smith and Zaza as a starting lineup?
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:52 PM   #17
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Last year the Hawks could have drafted Paul, and this year Roy.

How about Paul, JJ, Roy, Smith and Zaza as a starting lineup?
wouldn't have happened because taking paul would have jettisoned them out of last place and they wouldn't have had the chance to take roy
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:53 PM   #18
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In Portland, Roy is the number one perimeter option. With the lineup you're proposing, not only would JJ be above him, but Josh Smith (despite playing PF he'd still be on the perimeter) would also be an option ahead. So instead of being the #1 guy, Roy would be the #3 guy. This would obviously stunt his growth a little bit, and he wouldn't be the same player Portland has right now. And you'd be complaining that your team drafted another swingman instead of going after a more logical player, like saaaay... a rebounding PF? And you'd whine and ask "Why didn't Billy take Sheldon?" and we'd all tell you, "Because your GM is an idiot".
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:03 PM   #19
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In Portland, Roy is the number one perimeter option. With the lineup you're proposing, not only would JJ be above him, but Josh Smith (despite playing PF he'd still be on the perimeter) would also be an option ahead. So instead of being the #1 guy, Roy would be the #3 guy. This would obviously stunt his growth a little bit, and he wouldn't be the same player Portland has right now. And you'd be complaining that your team drafted another swingman instead of going after a more logical player, like saaaay... a rebounding PF? And you'd whine and ask "Why didn't Billy take Sheldon?" and we'd all tell you, "Because your GM is an idiot".

Last year BK made a mistake taking Marvin Williams because Chris Paul and Deron Williams were simply far superior players.

If Marvin were up to their level, the Hawks would be over .500. He was expected to be a 15 ppg player by now. He isn't, and he may never be.

So Marvin would have been a great pick if he was that good of a player. His play would be enough to lift the Hawks up even without great point guard play.

See the Cavs for more on that. LeBron carries that team despite getting adequate point guard play from an aging Snow and a mismatched Damon Jones.

Roy would have pushed the team up. And he would have gotten his shots. Lue sometimes in the second option because Smith and the two Williamses flounder at times. Childress disappears for weeks, and Zaza is too inconsistent. So Roy would get his shots.

So I think numbers wise he would be ok. But he would really make the Hawks better.

Smith could float around on offense and be in a great position to slash to the bucket or get offensive rebounds.

Zaza would get more open looks.

Lue would get more open shots as well.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:34 PM   #20
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

I'm also forgetting that the Hawks could have drafted Roy and traded for Marcus Williams (by taking on Grant's contract).

The Hawks would have had this:

PG: Lue, Marcus Williams, Ivy.
SG: Roy, Stoudamire
SF: Johnson, Childress
PF: Smith, Marvin Williams
C: Zaza, Wright

That's a playoff team right there, plus there would still be money left over to trade for another big.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:25 PM   #21
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Yes, they should have drafted Roy. In 2003, the Heat had a huge need for a point guard and already had good wing players in eddie jones, Caron Butler, and Lamar Odom. The Heat still decided to take a good ballhandling 2 guard (over 2 excellent pg prospects, btw) and play him at the point. They went on to make the playoffs and win the title 2 years later and the 2 guard ended up developing pretty well too.
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:05 PM   #22
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

Unless the player immediately fills a need that your team immediately needs fixed and is similar in talent to the other prospects, I don't see why teams should draft for need that high up in the lottery.

The Hawks weren't going anywhere anytime soon before the draft and adding Sheldon wasn't likely to take them any places right after IMO.

I generally think the most talented player should be taken when you are dealing with players of that calibur.

There was no question then, nor is there any question now, who the more talented and valuable player is... Roy.

If the Hawks dratfed Roy they would at least have a much more valuable asset to their club on the court playing or in the form of another player via trade either at draft time or later on during the season.
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Old 03-12-2007, 07:41 PM   #23
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Unless the player immediately fills a need that your team immediately needs fixed and is similar in talent to the other prospects, I don't see why teams should draft for need that high up in the lottery.

The Hawks weren't going anywhere anytime soon before the draft and adding Sheldon wasn't likely to take them any places right after IMO.

I generally think the most talented player should be taken when you are dealing with players of that calibur.

There was no question then, nor is there any question now, who the more talented and valuable player is... Roy.

If the Hawks dratfed Roy they would at least have a much more valuable asset to their club on the court playing or in the form of another player via trade either at draft time or later on during the season.

The Hawks could have drafted Roy, and then traded Marvin Williams away for a point guard - even a Steve Blake and something deal for Marvin Williams would have been great.

Blake would help the Hawks out more than Marvin Williams has.

The only reason Marvin gets minutes is because there is no depth and the Hawks spent the second pick in the draft over Paul, D. Williams, Felton, May and others.

Yuck!
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:09 PM   #24
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

yeah they need a PG, too bad for them it was a weak pg draft, but marcus williams probably wouldnt look so bad in atl
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:14 PM   #25
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

So from this topic Roy should have been the #1 pick in the draft. Ok I follow everyone. No really I do.
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Old 03-12-2007, 08:16 PM   #26
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So from this topic Roy should have been the #1 pick in the draft. Ok I follow everyone. No really I do.

the hawks picked 6th.
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:13 AM   #27
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yeah they need a PG, too bad for them it was a weak pg draft, but marcus williams probably wouldnt look so bad in atl

They could have also traded down to get Rondo.

A better question is:

When will the Hawks finally draft/sign a GOOD FA Point Guard!?!!
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:56 AM   #28
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Yes, they should have drafted Roy. In 2003, the Heat had a huge need for a point guard and already had good wing players in eddie jones, Caron Butler, and Lamar Odom. The Heat still decided to take a good ballhandling 2 guard (over 2 excellent pg prospects, btw) and play him at the point. They went on to make the playoffs and win the title 2 years later and the 2 guard ended up developing pretty well too.


I agree.Watching him, there is no doubt that Brandon Roy can run point on this level.He creates off the dribble execptionally well.He can break a defense down, doesn't force s@#t and his pull up from 15 feet is great.

Another thing is his ability to play with his back to the basket.Roy can post smaller guards up.If help comes he has the court vision to pick you apart, if not he''ll draw a foul or elevate for a jumper.

His defense: Dude has the lateral quicks and size to check two to three positions effectively.He's willing, he's tough...a gamer.

Overall he's a joy to watch.....silky smooth.I can understand why the Hawks took Williams, but they made a mistake
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:13 AM   #29
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They could have also traded down to get Rondo.

A better question is:

When will the Hawks finally draft/sign a GOOD FA Point Guard!?!!

That pick was traded to the Celtics in exchange for Boston taking on Brian Grant's contract.

BK didn't want to do that.

He could have used that pick for either Marcus Williams or Rajan Rondo.

Horrible!
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:37 PM   #30
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Default Re: Should the Hawks have drafted Roy?

I can GARAUNTEE you , that if last year the Hawks drafted Chirs Paul instead of Marvin Williams and Luol Deng instead of Josh Cildress the year before, and taken Roy this year, the Hawks would be looking at the 5-8 seed in the East. Paul Milsap conuld do the things Sheldon Williams can, they couldv'e taken him second round
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