Is it safe to say Bird "owned" Jordan?

[bagelred]

Originally Posted by bagelred

How dare you saw Bird owned Jordan!!! We haven't had slavery in this country in over a century. How dare you Sir!!!!! How DARE you!

Well played.....repped.

[jlauber]

Originally Posted by oolalaa

Incidentally, Kareem averaged over 33ppg against the expansion teams in 70/71, including a couple of 38 point games, a 44 point outburst against Portland, and a 53 point explosion against Cleveland....

Wow. That means that Kareem averaged 33 ppg against expansions teams, and "only" 31 ppg against the established teams, instead of his overall 31.7 ppg mark. Yep...he sure feasted on just the expansion teams that season.

[oolalaa]

Originally Posted by jlauber

Wow. That means that Kareem averaged 33 ppg against expansions teams, and "only" 31 ppg against the established teams, instead of his overall 31.7 ppg mark. Yep...he sure feasted on just the expansion teams that season.

I wish basketball reference gave the mpg in their box scores too. Quite a few of his 25-30 point games against the expansion teams were lobsided blowouts. I don't think it's a stretch to conclude that he sat out a few 4th quarters, and that his mpg was below his average for the season. CONTEXT.

But anyway, this is a little beside the point. The ABA sapped the NBA of talent. That's undeniable. No Gilmore or Mel Daniels or Zelmo Beaty or Dan Issel or even a Gerald Govan (Tenacious rebounder and great post defender) or a Julius Keye (Supposedly one of the best shot blockers of the early 70s) to contend with.

[Johnni Gade]

Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers

[AlphaWolf24]

Originally Posted by MiseryCityTexas

Bird owned Jordan because Birds teams were stacked compareed to Jordan's teams. bird played in a staring linup full of all stars, while all jordan had on his team was charles oakley and orlando woodrige.

buu...bu...but Jordan makes everyone "better"...he turned a scrub like Pippen into a NBA altime great....

at least he could win 1 game..

[B-hoop]

[LockoutOver11]

Jordan's second season... how the hell did they make the playoffs without him?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Originally Posted by LockoutOver11

Jordan's second season... how the hell did they make the playoffs without him?

They only needed 30 wins to get in.

[poido123]

Originally Posted by madmax

just for a record I'm not Kobe fan, I don't even like his game, but the ridiculous overhyping of Jordan on these boards needs to stop - he couldn't win a jack in the 80's, only putting up empty stat sheets and constant loses in the playoffs, I watched him playing late in his carrer in a stacked Bulls team with a GOAT coach and still needing ref help to beat poor Jazz ( Game 6 of 1998 Finals was a disgrace of highest order). He was a very good player, but he wasn't GOD, as some posters here try to convince us.

Pretty sure your whole agenda is to prop Lebron, by diminishing Jordan in every way. Insecure

Im also pretty sure that you wouldn't think of using logic and understand that Jordan was playing on weaker bulls teams in the early part of his career, and that when he faced bird in these seasons, he was the guy they channeled their entire defense to stop Jordan with a better supporting cast. Jordan on those celtics teams would have the same dominance over bird, so in this case it is situational and goes further than just stats.

Now in saying all that I have the highest respect for Bird and how great of a player he was, but I get sick of idiots like you and the rest of the agenda driven trolls, trying to find ways to bring Jordan down. I dont have a problem either that people may not think Jordan is GOAT, but I do have a problem when people have no rationale to support their case and just spew out random BS to incorrectly point out some kind of mistake as to why Jordan should'nt be considered GOAT by a good number of people.

[TheCorporation]

Interesting stats and breakdown of the stats.