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Old 05-24-2011, 07:13 AM   #1
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Default Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

A lot of Bulls fans admitted to the fact that Thibodeau was being totally outcoached in the Pacers series. So much so that it was almost unanimous if you read the Bulls forums and game threads during that series.

Looks like the same is holding true here, against Erik Spoelstra..

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?w=1an...=TOP&topslot=1

On the list of series surprises in these Eastern Conference finals, right up there with Chris Bosh emerging as the Heat's most consistent scoring threat, there's Erik Spoelstra having a better coaching run than his Chicago counterpart, Tom Thibodeau.

Anyone have this one? No? Not even any of the crickets I hear chirping?

After the Bulls won Game 1 by 21 points and it looked like we might have a huge coaching mismatch on our hands, it's been Spoelstra whose tweaks have made the bigger impact, resulting in a 2-1 series lead for the Heat. In Game 2 it was his decision to set free Udonis Haslem, resulting in 13 points and five rebounds worth of found money from someone who had played only seven previous minutes in the playoffs.

In Game 3 Spoelstra finally put his arsenal of stars to its best use. He exploited the Bulls' steadfast strategy of loading up the defense on one side to stop LeBron James or Dwyane Wade. Throughout the first two games, that usually meant that if the Heat wanted to beat the defense with ball movement, the stars would have to pass to Mike Bibby or Mario Chalmers. Sunday night, through lineups and positioning, the Heat had it set up so the weakside relief was usually Wade or Chris Bosh.

It kicked in early, when James had the ball on the right side and two additional Bulls defenders rushed his way like security guards swooping in to break up a fight in the stands. James passed across the court to Wade, who now had the opportunity to go one-on-one and made a pull-up jumper. It set the tone for most of the game: James as the quarterback, Wade and Bosh the primary receiving threats. LeBron assisted on 10 of the Heat's 24 field goals that he didn't score himself.

"I was seeing two defenders all night, two or three defenders," James said. "I came into the game knowing that they were going to try to load up on myself and D-Wade. So I just changed my game plan tonight, be more of a facilitator."

The Heat's offensive setup helped. It's as if Spoelstra embraced the fact that for all the pressure and complications brought on by coaching James, Wade and Bosh ... it means you're coaching LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. You don't think Thibodeau would mind having another guy who could be the No. 1 player on most other teams right about now?

"I know it can be a lot worse than this," Spoelstra said. "Come on, I was part of a team that won 15 games."

Spoelstra doesn't enjoy the almost cult-like belief among his players that Thibodeau has. It's rare that you hear players go out of their way to praise their coach the way the Bulls usually do without prompting, to the degree that Derrick Rose said, "We'll be in the locker room and we'll just be talking and we'll catch ourselves: We sound like him. Dang, man, we sound like him. We've got to stop."

On Sunday, the closest any Heat player came to acknowledging Spoelstra was when James said: "I think defensively what we've done all year has worked. We have a system, and we make adjustments at times."

That's a reflection on the coaching staff, even if James didn't say so specifically. Defense has been the closest thing to a constant during this tumultuous Heat season. It was the first thing the team was able to establish while still figuring out who should get the ball ... and when ... and where.

Spoelstra's practices don't get as long or grueling as Pat Riley's were. Riley looms over this franchise, a perceived threat to reclaim the coach's seat whenever things go south (it's more perception than reality, but it's there), but his behind-the-scenes support has strengthened Spoelstra's clout during the season.

"He's kind of been Coach Spo, but he's let the veterans continue to be who they are," Haslem said of his coach. "It's not my-way-or-the-highway type thing. It's, 'We're going to work together, we're going to figure this out, and we're going to do it together.' I think that's the way it had to be when you're bringing in so many different guys from so many different systems."

By being "Coach Spo," Haslem meant that Spoelstra has retained many of the qualities he held as a Heat assistant coach, the ones he developed going back to his beginnings as the team's video coordinator.

"Very intelligent coach," Haslem said. "He's going to prepare you for the game. If you go out there and don't get it done, it's not because you're not going to be prepared. He's one of the best basketball minds that I've been around, and I've been around a few good guys, a few good coaches."

No, Spoelstra doesn't have a commanding presence in the huddle. But the longer these playoffs go and the more success the Heat have, the more clout Spoelstra gains. It will only grow if he can get the best of Thibodeau, the 2010-11 Coach of the Year.

If you had guessed Spoelstra would have a bigger impact on the court than Thibodeau, it would only be because Spoelstra literally spends so much time on the court. While Thibodeau keeps his pacing within that imaginary coach's box on the sidelines, Spoelstra can be found out past the hashmark, even standing on the Eastern Conference finals decal in 3-point territory. Give him credit for staking out his territory. On one play, he was in the way of official Steve Javie, but rather than yell at Spoelstra or serve him up with a technical, which would have been within his rights, Javie simply grabbed Spoelstra by the waist, helped him move to the side, and continued along.

As any coach will tell you (and the ex-coach Hubie Brown reminded me), the guys in the suits look a lot smarter when the guys in the uniforms make baskets. The Heat have made 49 percent of their shots the past two games, while the Bulls have made only 38 percent.

"They're making shots," Thibodeau said. "We have to get up and challenge their shots better. We have to finish our defense."

In other words, it's up to the Bulls and Thibodeau to counter the moves that Spoelstra is making. Because it's taken so long to play the first three games, it's easy to forget that it's still early in the series. There is still time to make adjustments, before the teams become so locked into each other that it becomes strictly a matter of execution. But right now, the clock is ticking louder for Thibodeau, while Spoelstra, after a season's worth of criticism and rumblings, isn't hearing much noise at all.
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Old 05-24-2011, 07:32 AM   #2
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

I think Spo is winning the battle of having LeBron and Wade with a side of Bosh.

I'll coach that damn team myself and It would go pretty far.
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Old 05-24-2011, 07:33 AM   #3
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

Hank = Heat007? Sorry I haven't been here for a few days
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Old 05-24-2011, 07:35 AM   #4
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

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I think Spo is winning the battle of having LeBron and Wade with a side of Bosh.

I'll coach that damn team myself and It would go pretty far.

pretty much
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Old 05-24-2011, 07:56 AM   #5
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

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I think Spo is winning the battle of having LeBron and Wade with a side of Bosh.

I'll coach that damn team myself and It would go pretty far.

Spo outcoached Doug Collins.


Spo clearly outcoached Doc Rivers.


and now he's clearly outcoaching Thibodeau.


^ all 3 considered great coaches.


Come on, where is everybody who said Miami will lose in round 2 because the big 3 are all overrated. And where is EVERYBODY who said we only run an Iso offense and can NEVER win that way in the playoffs??

Where is EVERYONE who said -- our coaching sucks, our frontcourt sucks and we'll never be able to beat a good frontcourt team, we have no bench, we have no point guard, we have no center. we have no frontcourt "presence", we can't rebound in the clutch, we can't close out games, we have no interior defense and teams with no interior defense never win titles is aLL I Heard ALL YEAR Long.... , we have no post-up player down low and teams without post-up players never win titles, we sucked against Top 6 teams all season so it means we have no chance against the Celtics and bulls..

so where are all those people who said all that AND SO MUCH MORE about aaaaaaaaallllllll our weaknesses and MASSIVE deficiencies as a team !???


lol

Spoelstra MUST BE A CERTIFIED GENIUS to overcome ALL THOSE DEFICIENCIES & OBSTACLES everyone on ISH said Miami had all year LONG !!!
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Old 05-24-2011, 07:58 AM   #6
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

Hank is outtrolling everybody.
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:08 AM   #7
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

What happened to the Heat forum?
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:10 AM   #8
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

I'm not done yet...


Where is everybody who said Wade and LeBron have the exact same game and can't work together, or will not be able compliment each other at all ?? I heard this crap all year from you guys.


All I heard all year was Miami was mentally weak, can't handle any adversity. Can't win tough games.

I also heard Miami "can't grind it out" and can't grind against physical teams..


All I heard ALL YEAR was Miami cannot guard Point guards... Well they're doing quite fvckin well against Derrick Rose and Rondo in the last series.


and there's SOOO MUCH MORE that I haven't even brought up or mentioned..

So what gives on the dozen-plus points all the ISH geniuses raised all season long??? We are an incredibly deficient team according to the lot of you people... so Spoelstra MUST be a GENIUS coach !!!
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

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Hank is outtrolling everybody.
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

He isn't outcoaching anybody lebron, wade and bosh are outplaying their opponents
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

he's ok. He reminds me of a poor mans Scott Skiles or Mike Brown.

I have no idea why Doug Collins like that kid so much.

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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

A combination of Wade, James and Bosh can make Kurt Rambis look like prime Phil Jax.
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

Spo's my man, and he's made a couple keen calls in keeping dudes everybody thought should be out the line-up in the rotation that have positively impacted our defense

But what we saw in Game 2 wasn't brilliant coaching. If more than anything, it was Spo graspin at straws trying to find a solution to the rebounding problem we thought we had fixed (or atleast adjusted to) after Game 1.

He had Howard, Magloire, Miller, Chalmers and Joel all out on the floor at one point in the first quarter.

He was desperate and toying with the rotation. He had no choice but to put Haslem out there. If Haslem would not have contributed, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

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He had no choice but to put Haslem out there. .

Not true. Two days before Game 2 Spo had a long talk with Haslem and sat down with him. At that point Spo said he felt that Haslem had a look in his eye and felt he was ready.

He told Haslem at that point that he would get extended minutes in game 2, and told him he'd start seeing time in the 2nd quarter because he wanted to play him in the "middle portions" of the game ( 2nd and 3rd quarters).

It's all on NBA.com under heat videos after game 2. Both Spo and Haslem have admitted to everything I said.

Spo could have made the mistake of giving him too many minutes earlier when he wasn't ready.. As Spo said he felt he wasn't ready 2 weeks ago. But he said his instincts told him that Game 2 was the right time after a long talk session with Udonis.

Spo made the perfect choice at the perfect time. He didn't roll the dice, it was a calculated decision.. he knew he would give Haslem extended time days before the game even started. He could have brought a big body like Damp or Z in game 2 and sat eddie house, but he knew Haslem would go and trusted in him
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Default Re: Tom Thibodeau being outcoached by Erik Spolestra. Spo is winning the battle of wits.

Hank

How long did it take you to write all that?

Dude is not outcoaching anybody.
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