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Old 03-13-2018, 01:14 PM   #16
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None. Does anyone really care about the 80's west when they're talking about Magic Johnson?


Magic won more than he lost against his best competition though... and he led all time great teams, is probably the best teammate enhancer of all time on top of what he individually produced. Lebron hasnt won as much, nor has he complimented his great teammates enough to have ever led an all time great team.
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:17 PM   #17
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Default Re: how much does playing in the LEast affect LeBron's legacy?

About as much as Wilts competition affects his legacy
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:42 PM   #18
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dumb

A dumb argument, or it's dumb to bring it up?

It's true either way, but... curious to know what is dumb about that statement?
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:36 PM   #19
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Magic won more than he lost against his best competition though... and he led all time great teams, is probably the best teammate enhancer of all time on top of what he individually produced. Lebron hasnt won as much, nor has he complimented his great teammates enough to have ever led an all time great team.
And yet, MJ and LeBron are the only two players in the history of the game to win 4 MVP's and 3 FMVP's.

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Barely Top 15. LeTards are hoping time erases context and that the marketing machine of his heyday blurs the facts. Even if all of those things align perfectly and favorably, considering the probabilities are in his favor, he can't still explain why he went to 8 Finals and only won 3. No matter how much spin is brought into the equation, that ratio will stand out for eternity - shining bright.

You can take that to the bank, cleared check, within 1 business day.

Edit: For the time being, it'll be fun if he goes West next year. Even on the Rockets which is a dream scenario for him and his stans.
Well, your idol is a good 10 spots behind LeBron, so..
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I don't know why anyone believes it shouldn't.

To his credit, he always got the job done and made it to the finals.

But how truly impressive is that feat when you're always on the best team, playing against opposition that is hardly daunting?

The Raptors... Aged and disfucntional Celtics... That Atlanta team which may be the biggest pretender faction in league history... The Bulls... The Pacers.

Hardly a crop of competition that will be remembered for the ages.

Meanwhile here's Lebron, rolling deep with the likes of Hall of Fame talent.

Such a joke.
I mean the greatest players MJ every beat in the EC were pretty much Ewing and Shaq. LeBron beat a combo of Allen/KG/Pierce on the same team.
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:03 PM   #20
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And yet, MJ and LeBron are the only two players in the history of the game to win 4 MVP's and 3 FMVP's.


Well, your idol is a good 10 spots behind LeBron, so..

I mean the greatest players MJ every beat in the EC were pretty much Ewing and Shaq. LeBron beat a combo of Allen/KG/Pierce on the same team.

Yeah a combo that had more miles on them than Jenna Jameson's cooter. A team that was dealing with some internal conflict to boot.

The East has been an absolute joke for the majority of this century. Particularly during the 'Lebron era'

When you're meeting teams in the playoffs where their best player is Brandon freaking Jennings, nothing else is really left to be said.

Dude continuously stacked the deck in his favour against pitiful competition. It is what it is. Not his fault the GM's in the East couldn't do their jobs... I guess
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:47 PM   #21
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Magic won more than he lost against his best competition though... and he led all time great teams, is probably the best teammate enhancer of all time on top of what he individually produced. Lebron hasnt won as much, nor has he complimented his great teammates enough to have ever led an all time great team.


Yeah, real hard on them Lakers having first round byes and playing 3 game series in the playoffs. Real tough playing 3 teams who were a combined 118-128 to get to the Finals.

Who are these great teammates that James has had..... Hughes? Mo? Donyell Marshall? Joel Anthony? Birdman? Damon Jones? Drew Gooden? Mike Bibby? Scott Pollard? Ira Newble? JJ Hickson?
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:28 PM   #22
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The eastern conference has had good teams that unfortunately have not been able to outsmart or out physical him.

Mentally he owns this edge over the conference.

Not really, it's more so that he's always been on the most stacked team in the east during the years he made it to the finals. How many all-stars has this guy played with? Wade, Allen, Bosh, Love, Z, Kyrie, Shaq, Mo, Korver, Wallace to name a few....
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:31 PM   #23
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Yeah, real hard on them Lakers having first round byes and playing 3 game series in the playoffs. Real tough playing 3 teams who were a combined 118-128 to get to the Finals.

Who are these great teammates that James has had..... Hughes? Mo? Donyell Marshall? Joel Anthony? Birdman? Damon Jones? Drew Gooden? Mike Bibby? Scott Pollard? Ira Newble? JJ Hickson?
C'mon bro, you're just gonna pretend he didn't play with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie, Love etc
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:34 PM   #24
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Yeah a combo that had more miles on them than Jenna Jameson's cooter. A team that was dealing with some internal conflict to boot.

The East has been an absolute joke for the majority of this century. Particularly during the 'Lebron era'

When you're meeting teams in the playoffs where their best player is Brandon freaking Jennings, nothing else is really left to be said.

Dude continuously stacked the deck in his favour against pitiful competition. It is what it is. Not his fault the GM's in the East couldn't do their jobs... I guess
And lets ignore the FACT that LeBron has had a legit team which was healthy twice in his entire career.

Lets also ignore the fact that the weak ass 90's expansion era was shitty, that MJ ducked Hakeem, and that MJ made the PO's on team which won 30 and 34 games.

The only strong competition MJ faced in the PO's? Dude got analy eviscerated by Bird and Isiah. Heck, if it was a legit Lakers team he faced in '91, Magic would've probably made him quit basketball.

Finally, lets also not forget that MJ was beating the likes of Craig Ehlo and other cupcakes, while LeBron goes up against the DPOY, All-Def, and another elite defender in the Finals and puts up the only 30 point triple double (or any triple double for that matter) on efficiency which MJ never attained, and that series is considered to be one of the worst in his career.

Hey, MJ averaging 27/4/5 on shitty efficiency (got shut down my a 6'2" PG) might be a marvel to you, but LeBron destroying multiple great defenders is nothing new.

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C'mon bro, you're just gonna pretend he didn't play with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie, Love etc
TBF, all of them were healthy for like 2 seasons while playing with LeBron.
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:42 PM   #25
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Look at all that expensive talent they've surrounded Lebron with!

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:02 PM   #26
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C'mon bro, you're just gonna pretend he didn't play with Wade, Bosh, Allen, Kyrie, Love etc
Wade was Wade in 2011 but after that the injuries started happening and needed "maintenance games" by missing 58 reg. season games the following 3yrs. Avg. 15ppg in the 2014 Finals.

Bosh didn't want to bang down low anymore, post up or battle for rebounds. Played great D and hit nice mid-range shots, but wouldn't call his overall play "great"

Allen hit a great shot in 2013 in the ECF but also was held scoreless (as was Bosh) in the crucial game 7 of the Finals. Past his prime.

Kyrie was great at times in the 2016 Finals but missed all but 1 game of the 2015 Finals and the Cavs won 2gms that Finals w/o Kyrie and Love.

Love missed the 95% of the 2015 postseason. In 2016 he missed one and a half games in the Finals. He avg. 26mins and proceeded to avg. 8pts and 7 boards for the series. Hardly great play. How would the Lakers fare if Kareem or Worthy avg. that in the Finals?

The names may be great.... but when you look at the context, not so much.

There's others in the top 10 who've had much better overall teammates than James has..... including Magic by far.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:06 PM   #27
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I dunno, how much does it affect Jordan's? Because the east in the 90s was much weaker than the west.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:07 PM   #28
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Wade was Wade in 2011 but after that the injuries started happening and needed "maintenance games" by missing 58 reg. season games the following 3yrs. Avg. 15ppg in the 2014 Finals.


Wade was still Wade in 2012. Nice try, though.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:10 PM   #29
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Wade was still Wade in 2012. Nice try, though.

no he wasnt. He was roasted for being so useless against Boston
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:14 PM   #30
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lets be honest. he played his whole career in the east , so can we even call it a legacy?
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