Do America actually need a wall?

[Kblaze8855]

The security risk doesnt come from poor mexicans. At least that isnt who the villian is supposed to be when republicans want to seem less hateful. Its cartels, terrorist, and so on. People who hardly lack for funding.

Though for the record...poor people do come in by boat. Always have. Those cubans floating by and arriving barely alive are hardly rich. Read some of the articles on the boats mexican call "pangas". They catch thousands. They caught 3 times as many in 2010 as in 2006. Use went through the roof. Think they catch most of them?

They drop loads of 25-40 people off and dip before anyone knows they are there.

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You guys know that the Rio Grand river runs a along a significant part of our border right? You also know that the river floods regularly right? So we would have to build this wall a significant distance away from the river. Are we just going to cede the river to Mexico? Are we just going to give up US territory to them? You know that the Federal Government doesn't own all the land along the border right? Are we going to seize land from US property owners to build this wall?

[QUOTE]The land along the Rio Grande is perhaps the trickiest stretch of new wall to build. The river winds for 350 miles, and with it the border, a floodplain where construction is restricted by water treaties with Mexico. Residents and businesses own property south of existing border barriers, land that

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lol



all the major networks have cleared their 9pm broadcast slots.

martial law's finally incoming to 'murrica. time to exercise that 2nd amendment freedom. get your milita ready.



what a time.

Remember when all the conservatards were up in arms because some military exercises were being held in Texas during the Obama administration? Imagine their reaction if he had sent the military to the border, declared a state of emergency, seize private lands and tried to bypass Congress to build this boondoggle

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A wall is a step in the right direction of actually doing something about illegal immigration.

Will a wall deter some? Sure. Is it worth the cost/benefit ratio? Nope.


The Great Wall of China didn't work. Hadrian's Wall didn't work. Trump's wall won't work either.

[andgar923]

Why is he so adamant on this wall?

That

[Facepalm]

Why is he so adamant on this wall?

That’s what people should be asking.

As usual, follow the money.

Also because he's stupid and egotistical

But Trump's "wall" fixation actually began as little more than "a memory trick for an undisciplined candidate," Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Peter Baker report at The New York Times.

As Mr. Trump began exploring a presidential run in 2014, his political advisers landed on the idea of a border wall as a mnemonic device of sorts, a way to make sure their candidate — who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder — would remember to talk about getting tough on immigration. [The New York Times]

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George Conway
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In other words—the “wall” was originally cooked up as a trick to use the candidate’s narcissism (“I am the greatest builder!”)to get him to talk about immigration policy.

Virtually *everything* about this man and his “presidency” can be understood through his narcissism.

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[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Why is he so adamant on this wall?

That

[diamenz]

Yes, all those poor Mexicans sneaking in aboard their private jets and boats.

are u for or against building this 'wall'? aren't u a fiscal conservative? u and i both know that if it does gets built, we're footing the bill. is the difference it will make really worth spending the billions of dollars? but hey what's another few billion to add on to the trllions, huh.

[diamenz]

What are you saying? That there's a financial benefit to Trump for building this wall?


Unless the Mexico side of the wall will have advertising for his hotels and casinos, then I don't see how Trump benefits one way or the other.

his benefit is fulfilling his #1 campaign promise. that by itself is more important than any financial gain for him because it makes him look good.

[Patrick Chewing]

are u for or against building this 'wall'? aren't u a fiscal conservative? u and i both know that if it does gets built, we're footing the bill. is the difference it will make really worth spending the billions of dollars? but hey what's another few billion to add on to the trllions, huh.

This is such a pathetic argument. The government has spent money, or rather wasted money on way more egregious things than building a wall for national security.


A 5 Billion Dollar wall costs the U.S. taxpayer (roughly 150 million Americans) around $33 and change.

Yeah, I'll gladly put up $33 for better border security.

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This is such a pathetic argument. The government has spent money, or rather wasted money on way more egregious things than building a wall for national security.


A 5 Billion Dollar wall costs the U.S. taxpayer (roughly 150 million Americans) around $33 and change.

Yeah, I'll gladly put up $33 for better border security.

I'd rather put that money towards our crumbling infrastructure.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'd rather put that money towards our crumbling infrastructure.

Well, looks like both parties will be addressing that this year so we can celebrate to that.

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And those 60% are split into multiple ways of entry

-boats/cargo ships, wall does nothing
-hidden in vehicles for border crossing, wall does nothing
-sneaking in small planes for smuggling, wall does nothing
-paying for access through tunnel underneath the border, wall does nothing
-walking across border

4 out of 5 ways unaffected by wall

Not only that, but a wall won't stop drugs either

Here’s another misconception. According to a 2015 report by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, 95 percent of drugs enter the United States via container ships or other vessels. So in reality, a wall is going to do absolutely nothing to stop drug trafficking.

Via Fox news
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trum...a-statistician

[NumberSix]

are u for or against building this 'wall'? aren't u a fiscal conservative? u and i both know that if it does gets built, we're footing the bill. is the difference it will make really worth spending the billions of dollars? but hey what's another few billion to add on to the trllions, huh.

You think it doesn’t cost money to have millions of people illegally? They don’t use the roads? They don’t send their kids to the schools? They don’t use the courts or the police? Each year illegals send $25 billion to their families in other countries. $25 billion they probably didn’t pay taxes on in the first place.

You’re out of your mind if you believe leaving the border open will cost less than $5 billion.

[sammichoffate]

Wasn't this proposed like 13 years ago or something?