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    Quote Originally Posted by fpliii
    (before you ask about Mikan not being on this list at all and Cousy's low placement, I don't count the pre-shot clock NBA in GOAT lists)
    I understand how you feel about that but this is an All-Time List and we cant fault players for playing in a particular era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpliii
    edited my post with Isiah reasoning...in general, I have him multiple echelons above Stockton, to whom he's often compared
    True. I've always thought Zeke > Stockton anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbert009
    I understand how you feel about that but this is an All-Time List and we cant fault players for playing in a particular era.
    that wasn't a different era, it was a different game entirely

    I'm fine agreeing to disagree, but from my understanding the shot clock is a large reason why Mikan retired (though I believe wear-and-tear also played a part)...if he was born 10 years later, I have no reason to believe he'd be any more than a fringe top 10 player in the 60s NBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpliii
    it didn't make much of a difference, he was already there after last season; Dirk's never had a season like 08-09, and (despite the biased ref claims, which I'm not going to deal with here) Wade had an amazing postseason in 06

    Wade's also come close twice...if he doesn't go down in 05 he'd have another ship (Shaq probably wins the Finals MVP that season, I actually think he would've won MVP if he was healthy or if the voting shook out differently, which would've jumped him ahead of Bird AND Kobe); last season LeBron's poor Finals robbed him of a second Finals MVP (he outscored and outshot Dirk for the series, and even though he didn't equal Nowitzki in 4th quarters, he was still HUGE)



    he wins it in 08-09 if LeBron doesn't have an all-time great season...Wade wins the MVP 90% of other seasons

    do you count West as a PG or SG? if he's the former, then as I said above, Wade is already 3rd

    Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
    Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkkTheShocker
    Agreed with you on all points. People sleep on Wade too much. Loved seeing him dominate the #1 defense Pistons in 06 ECF.
    They were 5th on d that season, they werne't much of a defense team when saunders took over for brown

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    Quote Originally Posted by WockaVodka
    They were 5th on d that season, they werne't much of a defense team when saunders took over for brown

    Fail on my part. Still loved seeing him do damage though. I was a big Pistons hater. Liked Big Ben, but couldn't stand that team.

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    Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

    Wade is not top 25

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    Dirk Nowitzki is way the **** overrated if he's cracking Top 20 list, SMH.

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    Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

    11 Oscar
    12 West
    13 Moses
    14 Dr. J
    15 Sir Charles
    16 Karl Malone
    17 Garnett
    18 Robinson
    19 Pippen
    20 Dirk
    21 Zeke
    22 Drexler
    23 Stockton
    24 Wade
    25 Chris Bosh


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    Quote Originally Posted by RIP CITY
    Dirk Nowitzki is way the **** overrated if he's cracking Top 20 list, SMH.
    He is easily top 20.

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    Can someone explain me why is Dirk so high??? And why is he higher than Wade on almost everybody's list???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEFT4DEAD
    Can someone explain me why is Dirk so high??? And why is he higher than Wade on almost everybody's list???
    Wade at his absolute peak was better than Dirk at his absolute peak but Dirk's peak lasted longer. Dirk has just simply put up more dominant seasons than Wade has so far in their careers.

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    Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

    I put them in tiers, no particular order in one tier.

    11-14
    11.Moses Malone
    12.LeBron James
    13.Jerry West
    14.George Mikan

    15-25
    15.Julius Erving
    16.Oscar Robertson
    17.Karl Malone
    18.Bob Pettit
    19.Isiah Thomas
    20.Bob Cousy
    21.Charles Barkley
    22.Dirk Nowitzki
    23.Kevin Garnett
    24.John Havlicek
    25.Elgin Baylor

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    Default Re: Top 11-20 NBA Players of all time

    Quote Originally Posted by NiHao
    I put them in tiers, no particular order in one tier.

    11-14
    11.Moses Malone
    12.LeBron James
    13.Jerry West
    14.George Mikan

    15-25
    15.Julius Erving
    16.Oscar Robertson
    17.Karl Malone
    18.Bob Pettit
    19.Isiah Thomas
    20.Bob Cousy
    21.Charles Barkley
    22.Dirk Nowitzki
    23.Kevin Garnett
    24.John Havlicek
    25.Elgin Baylor

    I agree with your posts. I think Wade is a top 30 players of all time. It sucks that he missed a lot of games in his NBA Career.

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