Mud On Mars

[IamRAMBO24]

The Spirit rover has run into soft dirt and is spinning its wheels after crawling across the planet for five years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...n-the-mud.html

The typical ISH mind would say, "Mud? So what?" But since I am gifted, I know that mud is a mixture of WATER and soil, which are huge implications for a supposedly "dead" planet.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm not clicking the link but if it is infact mud, and not just the figure of speech "stuck in the mud" (rover could just be stuck in fine sand... or wheels could be seized up as it's one of the old rovers that weren't designed to last this long), mud indicates liquid mixed with fine strata, the liquid does not have to be water.

And it's already been proven that Mars atmosphere is not dense enough to allow liquid water, water turns from ice straight to a gas on Mars like how CO2 does here on earth. And liquid water on Mars would be far far far bigger news than the rover getting stuck. Let the scientists do their job already. Trust their decades of education and hardwork which you lack and stop being a dick. You nor any other armchair analysts are never going to discover anything on Mars before the trained professionals actually handling and programming that equipment will. You know, the trained professionals that are entirely responsible for releasing all data you've ever looked at? Yeah, they've gone over it all already.

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm not clicking the link but if it is infact mud, and not just the figure of speech "stuck in the mud", mud indicates liquid mixed with fine strata, the liquid does not have to be water. And it's already been proven that Mars atmosphere is not dense enough to allow liquid water, water turns from ice straight to a gas on Mars like how CO2 does here on earth. And liquid water on Mars would be far far far bigger news than the rover getting stuck. Let the scientists do their job already. Trust their decades of education and hardwork which you lack and stop being a dick. You nor any other armchair analysts are never going to discover anything on Mars before the trained professionals do. You know, the trained professionals that are entirely responsible for releasing all data you've ever looked at? Yeah, they've gone over it all already.

Nasa announces flowing water on mars

[quote] PASADENA, Calif. -- Observations from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have revealed possible flowing water during the warmest months on Mars.

"NASA's Mars Exploration Program keeps bringing us closer to determining whether the Red Planet could harbor life in some form,

[CavaliersFTW]

Nasa announces flowing water on mars



http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MR...o20110804.html

I'm using Science. You're using faith. You don't even have the ability to use your own eyes to discern anamolies from natural formations. Keep on being ignorant; truth will always prevail.

...billions of years in the past, when the atmosphere supported it. Little detail you forgot

[CavaliersFTW]

Okay I finally clicked the link

...first sentence:

"The Spirit rover has run into soft dirt and is spinning its wheels after crawling across the planet for five years."

Did I call it or what? "Stuck in the mud" is just a figure of speech used as a clickbait headline.... mud has not been discovered on mars, let alone mud caused by liquid water you dolt

[IamRAMBO24]

Okay I finally clicked the link

...first sentence:

"The Spirit rover has run into soft dirt and is spinning its wheels after crawling across the planet for five years."

Did I call it or what? "Stuck in the mud" is just a figure of speech used as a clickbait headline.... mud has not been discovered on mars, let alone mud caused by liquid water you dolt

Nasa uncovers new 'life on Mars' evidence after rover got stuck in the mud

Researchers at the American space agency made the discovery after the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit became stuck in wet ground on the red planet earlier this year.

Astronomers have become excited by the latest discovery, which they say proves that water favourable for life formed on the red planet more recently than previously thought.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...n-the-mud.html

[IamRAMBO24]

...billions of years in the past, when the atmosphere supported it. Little detail you forgot

Are you f*ckin stupid? They're talking about actual flowing water based on video and photographs taken by the rovers.

[IamRAMBO24]

[IamRAMBO24]

I'm not clicking the link but if it is infact mud, and not just the figure of speech "stuck in the mud" (rover could just be stuck in fine sand... or wheels could be seized up as it's one of the old rovers that weren't designed to last this long), mud indicates liquid mixed with fine strata, the liquid does not have to be water.

What liquid are you talking about?

[Goon Time]

why don't you two just email each other with your little argument seeing as nobody else give a f-ck what either of you have to say

[IamRAMBO24]

why don't you two just email each other with your little argument seeing as nobody else give a f-ck what either of you have to say

No.

[KevinNYC]

But since I am gifted, I know that mud is a mixture of WATER and soil,

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[IamRAMBO24]

NASA called out on their BS:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOHr67OACc[/URL]

[IamRAMBO24]

But did NASA fiddle with the image to make it look that red? As Mars buffs have pointed out in recent weeks on Web sites like Slashdot.org, a closer look reveals that parts of the rover itself, in the foreground, are oddly garish. Even the color chips placed on the rover to calibrate the color photographs had shifted. What should be bright blue is instead bright pink; what should be bright green is brown.

A few days later, after the rover Spirit made its first roll onto the surface, it took a picture of the empty lander behind it. Again, the Mars buffs zoomed in on a detail. NASA's navy blue logo, often called the "meatball" because of its shape, was now the pinkish hue of rare hamburger. Perhaps more shocking, the spacecraft designers at NASA appeared to have a thing for hot pink: that was the color of the cables strewn around the top of the lander.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/sc...ce/10COLO.html




NASA uses a red filter to distort all their photos. When you take out the filter, this is what Mars really looks like.

[KevinNYC]

URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/science/space/10COLO.html"]http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/10/science/space/10COLO.html[/URL]
NASA uses a red filter to distort all their photos. When you take out the filter, this is what Mars really looks like.

Do you even read the articles you link to?
Do you note the date of them? This article is 10 years old

The fundamental challenge in creating color photographs of Mars, he said, is that the cameras on the rovers take only black-and-white pictures, and the art of making color out of black and white never exactly reproduces what the eye sees.

To produce a color photograph, the rover's panoramic camera takes three black-and-white images of a scene, once with a red filter, once with a green filter and once with a blue filter. Each is then tinted with the color of the filter, and the three are combined into a color image.

In assembling the Spirit photographs, however, the scientists used an image taken with an infrared filter, not the red filter. Some blue pigments like the cobalt in the rover color chip also emit this longer-wavelength light, which is not visible to the human eye.

"This is actually true for a lot of blue pigments," Mr. Soderblom said. The infrared is so bright that it washes out the blue. "That turns this thing from a dark blue chip to a vibrant pink," he said. "This is an incredibly bright pink. The same thing is happening with our green color chip."

The infrared-for-red replacement is also "why the NASA meatball is red instead of blue," Mr. Soderblom said. The same is true of the cables. They are actually blue.

For the scientists, there are good reasons to focus on infrared colors rather than the visible red. "Iron dominates mineral color in the visible, and it causes everything to have shades of red," Mr. Soderblom said.

With the infrared filter, the different iron minerals emit different colors, and the camera can better differentiate between them. "We're trying to identify the minerals in the scene, and the way we're doing this is with subtle differences," Mr. Soderblom said.

What the eye sees, even when the colors are right, is not always quite what is happening. Mr. Soderblom showed pictures of the reddish "lily pads" around the landing site of the Spirit's twin, Opportunity, where its air bags bounced. The soil in the bounce marks is actually no more red than the darker surrounding soil, but for reasons not yet known, it emits less blue light. "By being not as bright in the blue, it appears more red to us," he said.

Still, there was no reason for the Spirit to see pink on Mars. When producing the panorama, the camera also used the red filter.

"We just made a mistake," said Dr. James F. Bell III, the lead scientist for the camera. "It's really just a mess-up."