How Is exactly Tim Duncan over Kobe All-time again?

[rmt]

Don't forget Bruce Bowen the best wing defender during that time. Duncan had his fair share of help to win his championships. Like you said he had Parker and Manu all his career. Plus he won championships with all-time great center.

You guys act as if Parker and Manu have been around all of Duncan's career. Or that at the beginning, Parker and Manu were the players they are now. Parker was a very raw, 19 year old rookie with not much more than his speed when he took over starting PG duties. Duncan did win a championship without either of them, you know.

And DRob was not an all-time great center in 03 with 7.8 pts / 6.6 rebs in 23 mins/playoff game.

[julizaver]

Serious question.


Here I am reading through all this shit that says Kobe is the player of the decade along with the Lakers being the Team of the decade, The NBA site itself blasting Timmy for losing in the 2004 Olympics

"Summer Olympics loss, 2004. A team coached by Larry Brown and led by Duncan, LeBron, Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony would beat anyone. Except Argentina. And Lithuania. And Puerto Rico, which won by 19 and shattered the USA's dominance in Olympic hoops. While the international competition was slowly catching up even before the Athens Games, it was still shocking to see the USA taking a beating and the bronze."

To start with Summer Olympics:
Lebron and Carmelo were 20 years old with limiteid minutes and for Lebron I am sure he had no impact on that team (no time to go check the stats just by memory) and doesn't counts in that occasion. Tim Dunkan was probably the best player/performer on that team and he was co-captaining with Iverson. Iverson was somehow underperforming (selfish again) and he just doesn't fit under FIBA system. It was not a real basketball team. That team was exactly the oposite of a Spurs team.

[HurricaneKid]

RAPM is probably my favorite stat. Its primary limitation is that you need substantial sample size and a lot of times by the time you get samples big enough a player isn't still playing at that level.

But with Kobe and Timmy you have enormous 17 year+ data sets to look at.

Now this doesn't include this season (for which Kobestans should be thankful):

https://sites.google.com/site/rapmstats/97-14-rapm-2


Timmy- Points above average player: 4963
Kobe - Points above average player: 3010

Kobe was the better offensive player by almost exactly 1500 points.
Timmy was 3342 points better defensively.

Per 100 possessions
Timmy 5.08
Kobe 2.96

Its really not close. Usually Kobe has a substantial advantage in winning but not against Timmy. Timmy has actually played 34 more playoff games.